2020 US Presidential Election

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Is the Democratic Party going to fundamentally change if they win the Presidential elections? I mean, with this poor showing, especially if we take into account that the Democratic Party is struggling to compete against a deeply unpopular president, there needs to be some kind of accountability in the way that the party has presented itself to the voters, especially to people from the heartland of America. It does not look like they can continue on this road if they want to take over the senate and defend the house when the next election cycle comes.
 
Bernie had the crowds and the enthusiasm but the DNC really don't want a progressive party and want to appeal to this imaginary neolib majority (because that's what their rich donors prefer). The joke is they fought Bernie harder than Trump.
It's not the best indicator, but it gives some detail how big Bernie's appeal was in the primaries (never mind the results due to low turnouts, as it was heavily influenced by COVID-19). His message was not only appealing to the traditional Democratic urbanites, but also to the American heartland, which is now solidly in Republican hands.

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Zero class and callous thing to say that about another countries people. WTH are you thinking? I think we should stick to tinnitus threads. This one divides us.
Other countries' people? I hope you don't equate Trump voters to the ''American people'', as if it's an homogenous group, because it's not. Trump doesn't speak for every American, as you can read from people in this thread. My words are ''large part of the country'', and with my political orientation taken into account (which you should have known by now, as I've mentioned it a zillion times), you can tell that I hint to the part of the US that has voted for Trump. I'm sorry if my words come across as harsh, but I won't say sorry for what I think about this fascist and the people who enable him.
 
Come on, um, "Lucifer". Republicans haven't been taking the high ground. This martyr complex schtick is ridiculous and you know it.
Well it's true. Whenever Democrats hear that people decide to vote for Republicans they seem to moan about it and want to silence peoples' vote on Republicans.

They think Democrats are right and Republicans are wrong. Look at the entertainment industry have you notice it filled with left-wing ideology and whenever they hear someone from the entertainment industry vote for Republican they moan about it and try to force Republican supporters to vote Democrat and if they don't vote for Democratic they get cancelled instead by the Democrats and the left.

Look at what they did to Ice Cube and Lil Wayne when they decided to align with Trump. The Democrats and the left tried to cancel them for their political views. No one deserves to be cancelled for their political belief but unfortunately it is the Democrats that cause this division are willing to get rid of those who support Republicans. If Republicans are that bad why do nearly 50% of Americans still vote for Trump.
 
I think we should stick to tinnitus threads. This one divides us.
I'm leaving this thread soon.

I think Biden is going to win but I know a lot of people will have anxiety about that because of their worldview and I definitely don't want to stick around for the increasing hurt feelings. I will be glad and so relieved if Biden wins but sad that half the country will feel anguish.

I wish we could get back to the less politically intense Romney vs Obama days but I'm not sure that's possible again in the age of social media.

Anyway, I wish all of you well. Even the people I have managed to piss off with my views. Sorry if my opinions added to any stress in your life. We all come to our beliefs and world view through our own experience and no doubt mine is just different than yours.

I'm *especially* hoping every single day we get closer to relief and cures for our mutual affliction. Love to all. Stay safe.
 
There is a lot of cheating going on, especially with late mail-in ballots which all lean Democrat. If Democrats win, it is because they stole the election. It is quite obvious. The only way to convince Republicans that the Democrats did not cheat is to take this all the way to the Supreme Court. Otherwise, half the country will continue to think this is a stolen election.
It really looks like a planned "cheat."

There's also two interesting (imho) 'tidbits' regarding this theory. One you can prove by a small sample here but I think it can be demonstrated by looking at the country overall, social media and general reactions online from liberals: here, they mock you..."haha, they are just counting...you don't like it if the count beats you' etc. My point is they mock any idea that there would be any mail-in voter fraud. Democrats and liberals always play by the rules, right? Lol.

The 2nd theory is that this could have been pre-planned. It was already theorized that the sudden change in votes was a bit one-sided proportionately. But, did a Democrat politician predict foul play? Pelosi was a bit arrogant and over confident. Maybe a bit too sure?:

https://noqreport.com/2020/10/30/nancy-pelosi-biden-will-win-whatever-the-end-count-is-on-tuesday/

Even if fraud is found, the vote moves to the House, Biden wins. Fraud or not, Biden wins. I don't know why Trump is scorned for wanting the courts to investigate. I guess they don't care about the rule of law. Typical liberals. They only care or support it if it benefits them. But, don't worry Lieberals, you will probably get your wish.
 
Other countries' people? I hope you don't equate Trump voters to the ''American people'', as if it's an homogenous group, because it's not. Trump doesn't speak for every American, as you can read from people in this thread. My words are ''large part of the country'', and with my political orientation taken into account (which you should have known by now, as I've mentioned it a zillion times), you can tell that I hint to the part of the US that has voted for Trump. I'm sorry if my words come across as harsh, but I won't say sorry for what I think about this fascist and the people who enable him.
Excuse me your country isn't cuckoo, you are. Even if some people vote strictly about policy, pro-life, pro 2nd amendment, etc. and also don't think Harris would be a good potential president for a number of reasons, you classify them all as cuckoo I guess. Like I said before we're better off sticking to tinnitus threads as we have that in common.
 
I'm leaving this thread too and this site soon - for health reasons.

My last thoughts.

Read that voting on local state amendments has 90% statistically and significant more impact than voting for politicians. But this is still only a small way way to counter react economic elites, business interests, and people who can afford lobbyists that still carry major influence on our politicians. If an amendment is passed of one's interest - great. We shouldn't expect fairness from systems that has control.

There's good caring people and those that don't care about our financial wellness and health. No amendments will require a doctor to spend more time with proper care for someone with tinnitus, physical tinnitus, or pulsatile tinnitus.
 
I'm leaving this thread too and this site soon - for health reasons.

My last thoughts.

Read that voting on local state amendments has 90% statistically and significant more impact than voting for politicians. But this is still only a small way way to counter react economic elites, business interests, and people who can afford lobbyists that still carry major influence on our politicians. If an amendment is passed of one's interest - great. We shouldn't expect fairness from systems that has control.

There's good caring people and those that don't care about our financial wellness and health. No amendments will require a doctor to spend more time with proper care for someone with tinnitus, physical tinnitus, or pulsatile tinnitus.
Hi Greg, thanks for sharing your political and medical insights and thoughts and memories of pristine forests at what is now known as Root 2. In my mind's eye I can see it in winter, spring and fall... boy you were lucky.

Take care friend... see you around.

Sincerely Daniel
Hugs xxxx
 
Largest voter turn out in US history.
Congratulations America.
Counting votes takes time. Republican and Democratic officials, voting officials and state police and counters are working as I write. It took 30 days with Bush and Gore to settle. Cool down if you can.

Peace out y'all.
 
It really looks like a planned "cheat."

There's also two interesting (imho) 'tidbits' regarding this theory. One you can prove by a small sample here but I think it can be demonstrated by looking at the country overall, social media and general reactions online from liberals: here, they mock you..."haha, they are just counting...you don't like it if the count beats you' etc. My point is they mock any idea that there would be any mail-in voter fraud. Democrats and liberals always play by the rules, right? Lol.

The 2nd theory is that this could have been pre-planned. It was already theorized that the sudden change in votes was a bit one-sided proportionately. But, did a Democrat politician predict foul play? Pelosi was a bit arrogant and over confident. Maybe a bit too sure?:

https://noqreport.com/2020/10/30/nancy-pelosi-biden-will-win-whatever-the-end-count-is-on-tuesday/

Even if fraud is found, the vote moves to the House, Biden wins. Fraud or not, Biden wins. I don't know why Trump is scorned for wanting the courts to investigate. I guess they don't care about the rule of law. Typical liberals. They only care or support it if it benefits them. But, don't worry Lieberals, you will probably get your wish.
If the Democrats were really going to cheat, wouldn't we have made sure to take the Senate also? We have the governor in NC yet it looks Cal Cunningham is going to lose that Senate race. If the Dems are cheating, they're not doing great at it. I don't think the Dems planned to lose the Senate.
 
If Joe Biden gets in, many people will think that the Democrats stole the election and Biden is an illegitimate president. It is an undisputed fact that Kamala Harris got to her place in politics through a foundation of prostituting herself with a Democratic party boss, in California.

For the Biden-Harris administration, history will record that our country had a president who was a bastard, and a vice president who was a whore.
 
history will record that our country had a president who was a bastard
Already done. It's called the Trump administration.
and a vice president who was a whore.
Again and again with the misogynist rhetoric. Do you have anything other than circumstantial evidence that Harris's suceess is due to this relationship? I'm not disputing that it was, but I want actual evidence to back it up first. And even if it is the case, it's still more than Donald Trump did. All he had to do was be born to a life of wealth and privlege.
 
If Joe Biden gets in, many people will think that the Democrats stole the election and Biden is an illegitimate president. It is an undisputed fact that Kamala Harris got to her place in politics through a foundation of prostituting herself with a Democratic party boss, in California.

For the Biden-Harris administration, history will record that our country had a president who was a bastard, and a vice president who was a whore.
So basically Trump ruined Americans' faith in the process even further with his baseless conspiracy mongering. How nice.

The best part is though, it doesn't even matter. If Biden wins, the truth will prevail. He'll get in and for once, all the elites and conspiracy crap just won't matter.
 
Some conservative judges may try to hook up Trump in Pennsylvania, but in other States it doesn't sound like he's got a chance, you never know... The courts will decide now. If the margins are big, there's no chance in the courts.
For the Biden-Harris administration, history will record that our country had a president who was a bastard, and a vice president who was a whore.
Possibly, but I doubt historians will say that.
Rigged election, come on man. COVID-19 setup for mail in vote fraud. Biden is a Pussy. Kamala is a whore. Fuck them both.
I don't think the election was rigged, and I neither voted for Trump or Biden, not that it would matter really as I am a resident of Massachusetts and in presidential elections it always votes the same.

As far as Biden being a "pussy" and "Kamala is a whore"... There's a clear link to women, would the antithesis be a positive male counterpart, a massive penis or phallus that President Trump would exemplify or symbolize?

Seriously - if "pussy" and "whore" is bad, then "cock" and "John" or "Trick" must be good.
 
So basically Trump ruined Americans' faith in the process even further with his baseless conspiracy mongering. How nice.

The best part is though, it doesn't even matter. If Biden wins, the truth will prevail. He'll get in and for once, all the elites and conspiracy crap just won't matter.
How can so many liberals be that stupid?

Biden is a career politician with lots of skeletons. He's corrupt and is "owned" by China. He has shady dealings with Russia and Ukraine and you're portraying him as clean because of partisan politics and hatred of Trump.

That's borderline insanity and at least, highly delusional.

It's really irrational when you shrug off any critique as "conspiracy theories." :rolleyes:
 
I'm leaving this thread too and this site soon - for health reasons.

My last thoughts.

Read that voting on local state amendments has 90% statistically and significant more impact than voting for politicians. But this is still only a small way way to counter react economic elites, business interests, and people who can afford lobbyists that still carry major influence on our politicians. If an amendment is passed of one's interest - great. We shouldn't expect fairness from systems that has control.

There's good caring people and those that don't care about our financial wellness and health. No amendments will require a doctor to spend more time with proper care for someone with tinnitus, physical tinnitus, or pulsatile tinnitus.
I hope you change your mind and don't leave us, Greg. I hope your health improves however it can.

Take care and I agree with your sentiments except I am not as optimistic or as positive as you in your confidence in people's concern with suffering in others. I guess it's just my personal perspective, I can't help it.
 
They think Democrats are right and Republicans are wrong.
I like you, but do you know how absurd that is? I'm not allowed to vote for what I think is right? So Trump supporters don't think they are right?
Look at what they did to Ice Cube and Lil Wayne when they decided to align with Trump. The Democrats and the left tried to cancel them for their political views. No one deserves to be cancelled for their political belief but unfortunately it is the Democrats that cause this division are willing to get rid of those who support Republicans. If Republicans are that bad why do nearly 50% of Americans still vote for Trump.
Here's the thing though. Republicans are obsessed with free markets and cutting regulations. Remember, Democrats are evil socialists who want to control you. Cut taxes! More freedom!

Well, if I am listening to Lil Wayne (for example, I have nothing against him) and his lyrics no longer resonate with me because I know he loves Donald Trump, who the hell can say what I do with my money? Should I make conservatives boycotting the NFL over Kaepernick turn their televisions on?

Republicans practically worship this libertarian viewpoint. I have heard Ben Shapiro say that, ideally, discrimination should be worked out in the free market where someone just patrons someone else. For example, if a restaurant owner is a racist, then everyone should go eat somewhere else, forcing that restaurant owner to confront their racist viewpoints or go out of business. What you are complaining about is like a staple conservative ideology.

I'm not really in love with boycotts, but I do find it really funny that someone would pin this on Democrats. Democrats hear about free markets and are just like, okay, I don't want to give that person my money. Then conservatives act oppressed. Conservatives are always oppressed, no matter what. They can tell foreigners to go back to the country where they cam from. They laugh about this. But if someone wishes them "happy holidays" instead of "merry Christmas," omg are they oppressed. I can't take it seriously -- it's so big of a joke.
 
If Joe Biden gets in, many people will think that the Democrats stole the election and Biden is an illegitimate president. It is an undisputed fact that Kamala Harris got to her place in politics through a foundation of prostituting herself with a Democratic party boss, in California.

For the Biden-Harris administration, history will record that our country had a president who was a bastard, and a vice president who was a whore.
I've been avoiding contributing to this thread as I live in the UK, but wow the level of frankly poisonous, racist and libellous allegations in this post and a couple of others really should make the Mods think about how beneficial this whole thread is to our tinnitus community... the nastiness of it already seems to be turning away some long-standing members.
 
So basically Trump ruined Americans' faith in the process even further with his baseless conspiracy mongering. How nice.

The best part is though, it doesn't even matter. If Biden wins, the truth will prevail. He'll get in and for once, all th elites and conspiracy crap just won't matter.
I am the last person to buy into "conspiracy crap", but I believe that there is truth to the claims the Democrats cheated, in the voting process. Personally, I'll be fine with a lame duck Biden presidency who will be stopped by a Republican Senate, from launching policies that I do not want. The stock markets are doing great, in the midst of what is happening right now, so if this is any indication of what is to come, bring it on.

"A Biden administration and divided congress, is 'nirvana for growth stocks'". Jim Kramer

Biden is in shock, in for a four year fight - a rude awakening that he never anticipated, if he wins. The Blue Wave is not happening, Biden will not be able to give away free college, reparations, the introduction of new affirmative action programs, new tax policies, Green New Deal, etc. He will have a hard enough time getting a stimulus package passed, and it will be a lot smaller than he wants. This election is not a victory for the Democrats, but a classic hollow victory. Trump will remain more popular than ever. Trump has a huge, loyal following. Nobody loves, or even likes, Biden - he was only voted for to get rid of Trump. If Mickey Mouse had been nominated by the Democrats, they would have voted for him.
 
Already done. It's called the Trump administration.
Again and again with the misogynist rhetoric. Do you have anything other than circumstantial evidence that Harris's suceess is due to this relationship? I'm not disputing that it was, but I want actual evidence to back it up first. And even if it is the case, it's still more than Donald Trump did. All he had to do was be born to a life of wealth and privlege.
Trump's entire cabinet is filled with cronies and family members.
 
How come all the networks and AP have different/varied results?

I have read 264 - 214, 253 - 214 and even 270 - 268 on CBC. No idea how they got that.
 
Trump will remain more popular than ever. Trump has a huge, loyal following. Nobody loves, or even likes, Biden - he was only voted for to get rid of Trump. If Mickey Mouse had been nominated by the Democrats, they would have voted for him.
Not so popular after all, then.
 
If anyone wants a fresh reminder of the fact that Hillary lost because she's a woman, this thread is not a bad starting point.
 

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