2024 US Presidential Election

[ZFire]

Huckabee: 2024 will be last election 'decided by ballots rather than bullets' if Trump loses over legal cases

Full quote:

"If these tactics end up working to keep Trump from winning or even running in 2024, it is going to be the last American election that will be decided by ballots rather than bullets," Huckabee warned in his opening monologue.

Someone who adheres to Christian values, ladies and gentlemen.

I think we might need to start handing out bottles and pacifiers at voting stations.

 

[Elmer B Fuddled]

Since we were talking about abortion recently, figure I post this. Interesting development coming out of Mexico.

Mexico supreme court decriminalizes abortion across country

This is pretty darn big considering how catholic the country is. The pope is going to be real salty.

Realistically though, is there any way for southern states to stop pregnant women traveling to Mexico (and Canada) for abortions? Just goes to show how stupid the reversal of Roe was in a practical sense. Reminds me a lot like prohibition.

Reminds me of how the government wants full control of the people. You know, keep them poor and stupid.

 

[Luman]

Same 'ol same 'ol. Running out of original way to respond already? You posted the same on the forum July 23 with the same Tweet:

But I'm sure you'll argue that your latest post is new and improved, right?

But she's really been stalking Trump since 1996 and finally hatched her plan to get him convicted on raping her in 2023? Never mind that he was found guilty in trial.

What a master plan indeed...

This was a civil trial, for $$$, not a criminal trial.

A jury of NYC people with TDS would convict Trump of being the Mad Bomber if he were indicted for that.

I still do not understand how a woman who was raped by somebody could be a 'massive fan" of his TV show.

 

[just1morething]

Huckabee: 2024 will be last election 'decided by ballots rather than bullets' if Trump loses over legal cases

Someone who adheres to Christian values, ladies and gentlemen.

I think we might need to start handing out bottles and pacifiers at voting stations.

I like Mike Huckabee. He is a no-nonsense person. I watched his show the other day. He is a former presidential candidate and is also a pastor.

 

[RunningMan]

I like Mike Huckabee. He is a no-nonsense person. I watched his show the other day. He is a former presidential candidate and is also a pastor.

He apparently sleeps well, also. I envy him mostly for that, if it's true. Lol.

 

[ZFire]

Reminds me of how the government wants full control of the people. You know, keep them poor and stupid.

I like to watch George Carlin's standup piece on abortion from time to time. It never gets old.

 

[Luman]

Since we were talking about abortion recently, figure I post this. Interesting development coming out of Mexico.

Mexico supreme court decriminalizes abortion across country

This is pretty darn big considering how catholic the country is. The pope is going to be real salty.

Realistically though, is there any way for southern states to stop pregnant women traveling to Mexico (and Canada) for abortions? Just goes to show how stupid the reversal of Roe was in a practical sense. Reminds me a lot like prohibition.

The laws concerning abortion should be left up to the states to decide. Roe v. Wade was one of the most liberal, least restrictive national abortion policies in the world.

I do not know how the states that criminalize abortion will handle cases of women traveling to obtain the procedure. Banning that would be going too far.

Many people consider all abortions to be murder. I think that it is, at the very least, a violation of the human and civil rights of the unborn, which is what author and activist Nat Hentoff believed, and he was no bible-thumping conservative - he was an atheist, defender of free speech and a lifelong advocate of civil rights. I don't know what Hentoff would have thought of the overturning of Roe v. Wade, but I suspect that he would have been in favor of it. He was highly respected by the left, on many issues, but the majority did not agree with his views regarding abortion.

 

[just1morething]

Huckabee: 2024 will be last election 'decided by ballots rather than bullets' if Trump loses over legal cases

Full quote:

Someone who adheres to Christian values, ladies and gentlemen.

I think we might need to start handing out bottles and pacifiers at voting stations.

Mike Huckabee was the former governor of Arkansas.

Mike Huckabee said nothing wrong. Every single thing Mike Huckabee just said is right. Regardless of even what happens in the election and how you interpret it, if the legal mechanisms that the liberals are trying to use -- which are really illegal mechanisms -- if they succeed at taking Trump off the ballot in certain places, then the likelihood of civil war is much higher. The last time that we had a president elected not being on the ballot in a number of states was immediately before the Civil War. That's just an historical fact. He's not saying if Trump loses the election fair and square, then the next election's gonna be decided by bullets rather than ballots. He's saying if these unfair, often illegal operations that the liberals are trying, if those succeed, then you're gonna have a breakdown of the electoral order. That's obviously true.

It's even true if the -- the liberals exert this kind of power and keep the conservative from having a fair shake at being elected, even then -- even if the conservatives do nothing and they sit at home on their hands, it will nevertheless remain true that the future elections will be decided by bullets rather than ballots because the bullets will be in the guns pointed by the state at the people who want to challenge the regime. If there is no longer to be any real political opposition permitted in the United States, if every time an actual opposition leader tries to run, he gets shut down because the liberals won't even let him be placed on the ballot, then that means that our elections are decided by bullets rather than ballots because they're decided by the implicit coercive force of the state, of the regime.

As is often the case with Mike Huckabee, what he's saying is obviously, obviously true. And the Liberals are pursuing that strategy. Do not confuse yourself. Don't think it's hyperbole or that we're all paranoid with tinfoil hats. The liberals are explicitly trying to keep Trump off the ballot.

 

[Daniel Lion]

I like to watch George Carlin's standup piece on abortion from time to time. It never gets old.

George Carlin was a brilliant man. He would be so useful now helping to broaden American minds and cosmology. I am hard pressed to think of a comedian who could fill his boots politically, spiritually. The guy was a gem, a role model, and a beautiful soul. RIP George, we miss you.

Wawa weewa, ... Borat.

 

[Luman]

George Carlin was a brilliant man. He would be so useful now helping to broaden American minds and cosmology. I am hard pressed to think of a comedian who could fill his boots politically, spiritually. The guy was a gem, a role model, and a beautiful soul. RIP George, we miss you.

Wawa weewa, ... Borat.

Carlin was a drunk, a drug addict, not very funny, and pandered to his audience, which was generally middle-class leftists. In his own words, being against abortion was being against women, but he never actually addressed the fact that many women are against it.

I really couldn't stand him, it's not my kind of humor. He affected a cute smile that endeared him to his audience. He was a very poor example of a man, and there were rumors about him that I'd rather not repeat.

He was a phony, a product of self-hatred, and dishonesty about himself, and this is 100% certain in my mind.

 

[Daniel Lion]

Carlin was a drunk, a drug addict, not very funny, and pandered to his audience, which was generally middle-class leftists. In his own words, being against abortion was being against women, but he never actually addressed the fact that many women are against it.

I really couldn't stand him, it's not my kind of humor. He affected a cute smile that endeared him to his audience. He was a very poor example of a man, and there were rumors about him that I'd rather not repeat.

He was a phony, a product of self-hatred, and dishonesty about himself, and this is 100% certain in my mind.

Thanks for sharing @Luman. I hope you are staying well and happy in NYC.

Take care,
Daniel

 

[Jammer]

I like to watch George Carlin's standup piece on abortion from time to time. It never gets old.

AP: McCarthy announces impeachment inquiry of President Biden. McCarthy then launched into a ritualistic Republican pantomime wherein, after reaching toward Congressman Comer's face, he quickly jerked his hand back while putting his thumb between his first two fingers. "Got your Nose, Nyuk nyuk nyuk!", McCarthy added in a high pitched squeal of delight.

"Woowooowooo! nyahhh, whadda ya take me for?!!" exclaimed Comer, running his hands furiously in rapid succession over his own face and stomping back and forth before falling backward, landing in a potted plant.

The two then began to slap-fight with one another until Congressman Jordan broke up the fight by grabbing the pair by their shirt collars and knocking their heads together. Stars and tweetybirds were seen circling the heads of both Comer and McCarthy while Jordan took the opportunity to steal the wallets and watches of the pair.

As of press time, the three were seen dancing a conga line, apparently aimlessly through the halls of the Capitol building.

"This whole sordid affair", said a stern-faced Senator Cotton, furrowing his brow to appear serious, "is the obviously all the result of the nefarious dealings of the Biden Crime Family! We will never allow the President to make a mockery of our country! We will get to the bottom of this!"

He then offered several ways that the Republican base voters can send money to aid in the investigation while rubbing his hands together.

Note: The above is a lighthearted parody and not a serious reflection of politics as usual. I thought a little levity would be welcome to balance out the seriousness of recent posts.

George Carlin was a brilliant man. He would be so useful now helping to broaden American minds and cosmology. I am hard pressed to think of a comedian who could fill his boots politically, spiritually. The guy was a gem, a role model, and a beautiful soul. RIP George, we miss you.

Wawa weewa, ... Borat.

Couldn't agree more. He was a great comedian.

 

[just1morething]

I like to watch George Carlin's standup piece on abortion from time to time. It never gets old.

Someone told me the other day that a fetus is a separate person from the mother. I had never heard someone say that before, but it made sense. In my parent's generation an abortion wasn't even considered as far as I know. It may have been illegal back then.

 

[ZFire]

Someone told me the other day that a fetus is a separate person from the mother. I had never heard someone say that before, but it made sense. In my parent's generation an abortion wasn't even considered as far as I know. It may have been illegal back then.

The question of whether a fetus is a human being has been debated for a long time between both sides. Consciousness and the ability to feel pain are common topics when discussing this topic. It's a matter of personal beliefs and values I suppose. I think most people support abortions in the first trimester if my memory serves me right.

 

[Luman]

 

[Jammer]

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And not only that, Trump asked the house Republicans to shut down the government to "defund these political prosecutions against me", not realizing that the government shutdown will have little to no effect on the Trump investigations, so good luck with that, Donnie.

This statement from Trump also makes it awfully hard for Republicans to blame the impending shutdown on Democrats. It's not a good look when the leader of your party and prospective frontrunner for the nomination is calling for a shutdown. Sure, his base won't care, but the people he actually needs to have a chance at winning are the independents. There's about 4 million federal employees who won't be getting paychecks because of this and I bet a lot of them vote.

 

[Luman]

And not only that, Trump asked the house Republicans to shut down the government to "defund these political prosecutions against me", not realizing that the government shutdown will have little to no effect on the Trump investigations, so good luck with that, Donnie.

This statement from Trump also makes it awfully hard for Republicans to blame the impending shutdown on Democrats. It's not a good look when the leader of your party and prospective frontrunner for the nomination is calling for a shutdown. Sure, his base won't care, but the people he actually needs to have a chance at winning are the independents. There's about 4 million federal employees who won't be getting paychecks because of this and I bet a lot of them vote.

Since I first started to vote, I have always taken into consideration, in presidential elections, the concept of "lesser of two evils". We can find fault with any politician, but one of my main criteria for judging a president is by how many people he was responsible for killing. It is strikingly obvious that Joe Biden is the clear winner in this category and it is highly likely he is the person that I will vote against in 2024 if he is on the ballot.

 

[Jammer]

Since I first started to vote, I have always taken into consideration, in presidential elections, the concept of "lesser of two evils". We can find fault with any politician, but one of my main criteria for judging a president is by how many people he was responsible for killing. It is strikingly obvious that Joe Biden is the clear winner in this category and it is highly likely he is the person that I will vote against in 2024 if he is on the ballot.

So you voted for Romney in 2012? I thought you voted for Obama twice.

 

[Luman]

So you voted for Romney in 2012? I thought you voted for Obama twice.

What is the point of this question? Romney was never a president.

Do you think that the lesser of two evils, between Biden and Trump, is the former?

 

[Jammer]

What is the point of this question? Romney was never a president.

Do you think that the lesser of two evils, between Biden and Trump, is the former?

You just said you'd never vote for a presidential candidate that had more deaths on their administration, which Obama did compared to Romney.

Just curious that you now have this issue since you didn't with prior elections, but I now see it's only between exsisting presidents.

Let's move on.

 

[gameover]

Since I first started to vote, I have always taken into consideration, in presidential elections, the concept of "lesser of two evils". We can find fault with any politician, but one of my main criteria for judging a president is by how many people he was responsible for killing. It is strikingly obvious that Joe Biden is the clear winner in this category and it is highly likely he is the person that I will vote against in 2024 if he is on the ballot.

I agree, the expected body count seems like a solid metric to go by. It is not just wars, but health and social policies. Biden and his woke overlords are dead set on destroying the institution of family by claiming the right to the children and particularly dead set on destroying American youth via their transgender ideology indoctrination. They have been hugely successful already messing up young developing kids brains.

Trump is an effing joke in every respect, and is a true tragedy the Republicans could not come up with a viable contender. None of them has any shot on beating him in the primaries it seems. DeSantis comes phony and wooden like hell. Pence is so feared and hated by both sides, one could not come up with less viable candidate (too bad, because I think he could make a decent president, except probably he would be a warmonger, too). Ramaswamy might be funny and throw a few good speeches, but stands no chance with the hill billies (Rama who?). The fat governor from NJ is just disliked and untrustworthy. This obese nation has never elected an obese president, I doubt that would change. Haley dunno, maybe VP material for Trump at best. The ND governor might be a decent guy, but not enough charisma to get through. The remaining ones are irrelevant.

This will be the most pathetic election. Reprise of 2020 with even more senile sleepy Joe and nearly-certified criminal Trump. If that's what the "best nation earth" can put forward, it's mind boggling. I watched the movie Idiocracy many years ago. Never thought the reality will sort of catch up.

The funny thing is that with Biden/Harris combo vs. e.g., Trump/Haley, the Biden odds are not so given. You have a truly lethal combination of a demented idiot (he was an idiot before he got dementia) that's about to kick the bucket with greatly disliked and even bigger mumbling idiot VP. You could say it would be the same, except Biden is not likely to make it till the end of 2nd term. Harris as a president should be frightening to anyone. Trump is a narcissistic moron but then at least the VP would be somewhat competent.

The biggest trick the Democrats could pull out is to put Michelle Obama on the VP ticket instead of the idiot Harris. I dislike her (and Barry was a fraud and huge disappointment), but she would sell. Many would not mind them back in the White House, some say she shared the post with Barry anyway, so basically that would be a repeat. Part of the deal would be Biden stepping down after the election and Hunter being pardoned. She could even pick Harris back as VP, lol.

Failing that, Trump has a fair shot at winning it. Fun times.

 

[Luman]

You just said you'd never vote for a presidential candidate that had more deaths on their administration, which Obama did compared to Romney.

Just curious that you now have this issue since you didn't with prior elections, but I now see it's only between exsisting presidents.

Let's move on.

Obviously, since, Romney never held the office of POTUS, it was impossible to know whether he would have killed more, or less, than Obama. I gave Obama the benefit of the doubt and voted for him.

Let's "move on" to the issue at hand, which is the presidential election of 2024. It is an undeniable fact that the Biden administration has had more COVID-19 deaths than the Trump administration did, despite Biden's remarks during the 2020 campaign that any president with "that many deaths" (about 220,000 in October 2020) from COVID-19, was not qualified to be president. During Biden's term, he's had some 600,000 COVID-19 deaths but seems to have forgotten what he said in October 2020.

Today, the Biden administration is supporting a war effort that is causing tens of thousands of deaths in Ukraine and Russia, with no end in sight, and, so far, the Biden administration has not encouraged or supported peace negotiations between Ukraine and Russia. Biden just keeps using billions of our tax dollars to supply Zelensky with weapons and other war tools.

This war did not happen during the previous administration and Trump has vowed, if he becomes president again, to bring the two sides together, in order to end the death and bloodshed. This is the correct approach.

 

[Jammer]

Ben Franklin called it in his closing speech for the Constitutional Convention in 1787.

In these Sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its Faults, if they are such: because I think a General Government necessary for us, and there is no Form of Government but what may be a Blessing to the People if well administered; and I believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a Course of Years, and can only end in Despotism as other Forms have done before it, when the People shall become so corrupted as to need Despotic Government, being incapable of any other.

This shit is happening and Trump is the reason. Fun times indeed.

 

[Luman]

Biden's disapproval rating has hit the high mark of his presidency, now at 56%, with 42% saying that they approve.

Biden's age, which is 80, is also an issue, with 74% of voters, while only 44% of voters felt the same about Trump, who is 77 years old.

Source: NBC poll, Sunday, Sept. 24, 2023.

 

[ZFire]

538: Democrats have been winning big in special elections

Democrats just scored a big win in an election on Tuesday: Democrat Hal Rafter defeated Republican James Guzofski 56 percent to 44 percent in a special election to fill a Republican-held seat in the New Hampshire state House.

This New Hampshire district is 6 percentage points more Republican-leaning than the nation as a whole, according to a weighted average of the 2020 and 2016 presidential results in the district.*

Yet Rafter won by 12 points — an 18-point Democratic overperformance above their partisan baseline.

[...] Democrats have been posting special-election overperformances of that magnitude all year long, in all kinds of districts. And on average, they have won by margins 11 points higher than the weighted relative partisanship of their districts.

In each of the past three election cycles, a party's average overperformance in all special elections in a given cycle has been a close match for the eventual House popular vote in the eventual general election — albeit a couple of points better for Democrats.

And for another, it flies in the face of what we're seeing in the polls. According to a RealClearPolitics-style** average of generic congressional ballot polls (i.e., polls that ask people whether they intend to vote for a Democrat or for a Republican for Congress, without naming specific candidates) conducted entirely since Aug. 1, Republicans have a slight advantage, 45.2 percent to 44.0 percent.

It's reasonable for Democrats to be cautiously optimistic about their chances in the 2024 election based on what we're seeing right now in special elections, but there is still plenty of uncertainty about how much those results will actually tell us about what happens in 2024.

Really strong performance for the Democratic Party in recent special elections in New Hampshire and Pennsylvania (State houses). The article delves into whether these results might serve as a predictor for the 2024 election. It does according to 538.

What's noteworthy is that according to RealClearPolitics' generic congressional ballot polls, Republicans currently have a slight advantage over Democrats in terms of people's intentions to vote for a particular party member in Congress. Nonetheless, Democrats are consistently emerging as winners in these special elections just before 2024.

Current outcomes are favoring Democrats, but I know circumstances can still evolve as we get closer to 2024. But if was the Democrats right now, there's good reason to remain cautiously optimistic.

Biden's disapproval rating has hit the high mark of his presidency, now at 56%, with 42% saying that they approve.

Biden's age, which is 80, is also an issue, with 74% of voters, while only 44% of voters felt the same about Trump, who is 77 years old.

Source: NBC poll, Sunday, Sept. 24, 2023.

Looking at Biden's unfavorability ratings, I'm wondering if a chunk of those people are coming from the left who don't particularly like him but would still vote for him over a GOP candidate.

 

[ZFire]

I took a look at the 2024 congressional map, and wow it's awful as it can get for the Democrats. No real good pickup opportunities other than Ted Cruz's seat in Texas and Rick Scott's seat lol. Basically they need all the regular Democratic seats to hold, plus both Brown and Jon Tester, which is very doable. But that gets the Democrats to 49, and then they have to deal with:

- Manchin's West Virginia Senate seat
- Sinema's Arizona Senate seat
- The Presidency itself

Democrats need at least 2 of those 3. For West Virginia, it's safe to say it will be Manchin again, or a Republican. I mean, is there a difference? Yes. Both are undesirable options for the Democrats, but Manchin will sometimes vote with Democrats which is better than nothing. He's basically a band aid.

As for Arizona's seat, all early signs point to Gallego destroying Sinema in the primary. Sinema is actually pulling more Republican votes than Democratic votes in the general. She might decide to go third party candidate. Republican candidate running for Sinema's seat is Marc Lamb. Some sheriff and ally of Trump.

 

[Luman]

....Looking at Biden's unfavorability ratings, I'm wondering if a chunk of those people are coming from the left who don't particularly like him but would still vote for him over a GOP candidate.

I think that many people are beginning to realize that the country was doing fine under Trump, before COVID-19 and the mandates. If it had not been for this virus, Trump would have won in 2020.

Even Joe Rogan, a former Bernie Sanders supporter, who was never a fan of Trump, has recently admitted that the Trump administration was better for America, economically, than Biden's has been.

'The Country Was Thriving': Joe Rogan Says That 'More Things Were Getting Done' When Donald Trump Was President — Unemployment Was Down, Regulations Relaxed. Is He Right?

 

[Jammer]

I think that many people are beginning to realize that the country was doing fine under Trump, before COVID-19 and the mandates. If it had not been for this virus, Trump would have won in 2020.

Even Joe Rogan, a former Bernie Sanders supporter, who was never a fan of Trump, has recently admitted that the Trump administration was better for America, economically, than Biden's has been.

'The Country Was Thriving': Joe Rogan Says That 'More Things Were Getting Done' When Donald Trump Was President — Unemployment Was Down, Regulations Relaxed. Is He Right?

But why is Joe Rogan voting Democratic? Maybe because he hates the GOP?

"It's not just abortion rights, but now they're going after gay marriage too, which is so strange to me," Rogan said. "Gay marriage is not silly. It's marriage—it's marriage from people that are homosexual and it's, for them, it's important. They want it."

"They want to affirm their love and their relationship," Rogan went on. "And the fact that they're going after that now almost makes me feel like they want us to fight. They wanna divide us in the best way they can.

"And this is the best way for them to keep pulling off all the bulls**t they're doing behind the scenes is to get us to fight over things like gay marriage or get us to fight over things like abortion. It's just like, why are you removing freedoms?"

"It's so homophobic," Rogan stated. "Because you're saying there's something wrong with being homosexual by saying that you are opposed to gay marriage. You're saying you're opposed to gay people."

"The fact that they're going after that now like that's the kind of s**t keeps me from being a Republican," Rogan said of the issues he had been discussing. "It's only one of the kind of—there's a bunch of s**t that keeps you from being a Republican."

"People will say like, 'Oh, you know, you're a secret conservative.' Like, you can suck my d**k. You don't know what the f**k you're talking about," he continued. "I'm so far away from being a Republican. Just because I believe in the Second Amendment and just because I support the military and just cause I support police."

Rogan added: "Like I was on welfare as a kid. I think it's important. I think having a social safety net is crucial. We should help each other. We're supposed to be one big community. I'm a bleeding heart liberal when it comes to a lot of s**t."

"It's already a weird time, you know, post-Trump," said Rogan, who has also criticized current President Joe Biden. "Like, the Trump era is also going to be one of the weirder times when people look back historically about the division in this country.

"He's such a polarizing figure that so many people felt like they could abandon their own ethics and morals and principles just to attack him and anybody who supports him because he is an existential threat to democracy itself."

"By the way, I am not a Trump supporter, in any way, shape or form," Rogan added. "I have had the opportunity to have him on my show, more than once, and I have said no every time. I don't want to help him. I'm not interested in helping him."

 

[RunningMan]

More Democratic voters are on their way. Biden is giving another 400,000 aliens legal status and work permits. The whole immigration and border security issue has been a complete failure under the Biden administration. It's always been bad, but they've taken it to a whole new level. Even Democratic Governors and Mayors are complaining about their cities being overrun, and at great cost to American taxpayers. We spend $140 billion to protect Ukraine's border while failing to protect our own.

 

[ZFire]

New Hampshire has one of the largest unaffiliated bloc of independent voters. Keep your eyes peeled on that state during the primaries. They could tell us something about the 2024 election.

More Democratic voters are on their way. Biden is giving another 400,000 aliens legal status and work permits. The whole immigration and border security issue has been a complete failure under the Biden administration. It's always been bad, but they've taken it to a whole new level. Even Democratic Governors and Mayors are complaining about their cities being overrun, and at great cost to American taxpayers. We spend $140 billion to protect Ukraine's border while failing to protect our own.

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I agree. The handling of the migrant crises under the Biden administration has been abysmal. It's gotten out of hand. The Mayor of New York City is constantly appealing to Federal officials for assistance. That's bad. We obviously need better immigration policies and enhanced border enforcement. Biden has disappointed big time here. So yeah, I'm with you on this issue.