Chit Chat and All That...

[Star64]

I get that joke. In the hospitals where I worked, we never treated surgeons like a God. I had a few surgeons as friends and all of them were very human.

I'm just cutting back on posting and the lengths of my posts. I will give some thoughts to a possible cause, but decided to cut out most medical terminology and medical digest links. Physical tinnitus should be termed "all systems will be on alert". About 90% of the questions that I get asked are by the PM feature. Most with very severe tinnitus related issues.

I'm hurting very bad with too many physical problems. All my many problems were caused by healthcare.

I once visited a private high quality long term medical care center out in the Northern California wilderness, where the public restrooms had marble floors. They were so large, tennis could be played on the floors. The rich and powerful can afford special care.

I don't often Chit Chat here.

@Star64 Did you like working in surgery?

I did enjoy working in surgery, it definitely was a faced paced challenging environment at times and I really liked that aspect of it. I also feel it enhanced my Nursing career, as I was able to understand what patients had actually gone through prior to meeting them reaching a ward.

I started my career in this area in a new private hospital in Melbourne, I was employed 8 weeks before its opening 223 beds, an 18 bed level 3 critical care unit and a 24 bed cardiac unit. It had state of the art equipment, we all had to learn how to use all this before the opening.

It really was a race against time for all the staff to prepare for the opening, so I was multi tasking that is for sure.
I was unpacking surgical instruments from boxes and at the time I had no idea what half of them were used for.

Lucky some staff were already experienced in this area, and helped me organise them into their correct trays for sterilising. Cardiac retractors looked like little hair clips to me

When we first opened I was the nurse admitting you, your nurse in holding bay, your theatre nurse, your PACU nurse, the patients thought it was great as you got to build a repaul with them.

One man said gee this is good you were here with me when I went to sleep, and you are here with me when I woke up, you better not tell my wife This service did not last long though.

I am a people person Greg, and I love hearing and talking to people, I loved mental health, I worked with a psychologist one day a week for years as a Drug and Alcohol counselor. Previous to that I worked in a Psyche ward, and then in Aged Care. At one stage I was working two days a week in each field, so I worked a six day week.

My husband use to say if he wanted to see me he would need to have surgery, a mental breakdown, become an alcoholic, or need aged care. The last ten years of my career I worked for a large Commonwealth Government Department, I had to be a nurse to do the role, but it was all admin work.

Now that was challenging, but for all the wrong reasons. I often had to fly to our capital city Canberra and sit in meetings with Ministers that held Health Portfolios, believe me they new nothing about health, just like I am no mechanic

 

[Jazzer]

And you are so right, one should never lose their sense of fun

Tinnitus makes us sad and that is unavoidable.

But amazingly the human spirit is such that we can also be cheerful at the same time.
I read a post by Dr. Stephen Nagler where he said that, however loud it is, our conception of it may help or hinder.

We may see it as a diabolical life threatening illness - but how will that help us to cope?

Why not practice repeating to ourselves:
"It's just a sound."
Pretend, if necessary, until you come to accept and believe it.
It may well help us.
A bit like putting the genii back in the bottle.

I do it - it helps.
Best wishes Star
Dave x

 

[all to gain]

I wish I had read something like this before using the meds that have messed me up - https://www.patrickholford.com/advice/how-gps-are-paid-to-prescribe-ineffective-drugs

"Adverse drug reactions have been estimated as the fourth leading cause of death in US hospitals and are responsible for more than 700,000 hospital visits each year."

 

[emmalee]

I always worry when I tell people my experience because I do not want to scare them, but at the same time I think people should be aware that these drugs can be dangerous.

Too many doctors are failing to acknowledge that they can be problematic, let alone anything about tapering off them. They are prescribed off label for everything these days.

When I read what some people were given them for, I just shake my head in disbelief.

I only warn so others do not suffer, It genuinely is from my heart emmalee, I would not wish worse tinnitus on anybody, and that is what I got from Benzo use.

So I think you have made a very wise decision

Awareness is so very important, I have learned a great deal over the last few months, Star. I think my decision was made when I was first prescribed the Clonazepam and proceeded to do my research. I was desperate enough, due to the spikes, that I hung onto the pills in the event that things may get worse, even though I wondered how it could possibly get any worse. To say I was in a quandary is an understatement.

They are gone now and I am relieved, no more anxiety over the should I or shouldn't I.....

Thanks again for your support, it is appreciated more than you know.

Blueberry pie is delicious. I bought a blueberry crumble from the market this week, it was awesome! It is best served warm and enjoyed with a cup of hot tea. It is so cold and rainy/snowing here today.

Winter is winning the battle with Fall.

 

[emmalee]

I am starting to laugh again, and I see that as a good sign

 

[emmalee]

I wish I had read something like this before using the meds that have messed me up - https://www.patrickholford.com/advice/how-gps-are-paid-to-prescribe-ineffective-drugs

"Adverse drug reactions have been estimated as the fourth leading cause of death in US hospitals and are responsible for more than 700,000 hospital visits each year."

Why am I not surprised to hear this? I will have to do some research and see if this is the same for Canadian doctors.

However...

My doctor, in particular, was not in any hurry at all to prescribe me the clonazepam, although he did reassure me that the low dose for such a short time would not cause dependence or tolerance. I was given so few pills, no refills and told to come back to see him once I took the medication. He gave me many warnings, no drinking alcohol, at all, was one warning that he made blatantly clear.

Thanks for the article.

Found this bit of info...

https://globalnews.ca/news/5769443/big-pharma-paying-doctors-hospitals/

 

[OnceUponaTime]

Glad to know everyone is ok.
I was out for a few days sewing a dance dress for my daughter, so that kept me super busy.
The days here are getting darker earlier and cold...ugh. It is 5pm and it feels like midnight!!!

@emmalee You will be ok, and I support your decision. There's other things you can do to help you cope with the spikes an anxiety. Have you tried the aroma therapy machine?? I have one and I like it.

Hope @Jcb is feeling a little better.

 

[Star64]

Awareness is so very important, I have learned a great deal over the last few months, Star. I think my decision was made when I was first prescribed the Clonazepam and proceeded to do my research. I was desperate enough, due to the spikes, that I hung onto the pills in the event that things may get worse, even though I wondered how it could possibly get any worse. To say I was in a quandary is an understatement.

They are gone now and I am relieved, no more anxiety over the should I or shouldn't I.....

Thanks again for your support, it is appreciated more than you know.

Blueberry pie is delicious. I bought a blueberry crumble from the market this week, it was awesome! It is best served warm and enjoyed with a cup of hot tea. It is so cold and rainy/snowing here today.

Winter is winning the battle with Fall.

The weather here in Australia is seeing each state having different challenges for this time of year. In one state we having bad bush fires which would not normally occur this time of year, we are still in spring. Then another state is having snow, which also is not the norm.

Melbourne which is where I reside in the state of Victoria, can always get four seasons in the one day, but the last few days it has felt like winter again, it has been cold and wet.

Snow is something I have to travel 3 hours to see and the snow/ski season here is usually very short, July to early September, if we are lucky. I actually love the snow, but then again, it is a novelty to me.

Looks like your chances of experiencing a white Christmas are high, We never know what temp we will get but sometimes it can be around 42c, which is not good weather for cooking a traditional xmas lunch. My granddaughter is excited about tomorrow, she is coming to help me bake the pumpkin and blueberry pie, she has her little apron ready to wear.

I have had two good days so far where my tinnitus has quietened, so I hope that continues

 

[emmalee]

@emmalee You will be ok, and I support your decision. There's other things you can do to help you cope with the spikes an anxiety. Have you tried the aroma therapy machine?? I have one and I like it.

Hope @Jcb is feeling a little better.

Thank-you for your kind support, Once.

There are other ways to relieve the anxiety, like you say. I have never tried an aroma therapy machine, this sounds so interesting, though. Now I have something to research, tonight, thank-you for the suggestion.

Our days are the same, too short and too cold, lol. I woke this morning to a light snow covering everything, the sun is coming out and warming things up a bit. The last of the leaves are falling quickly, it looks as if it is raining leaves.

I hope you are well, Once.

 

[emmalee]

I have had two good days so far where my tinnitus has quietened, so I hope that continues

Sending healing thoughts your way, Star.

Enjoy the weekend with your sweet grand-daughter, the pies will be delicious, I'm sure.

Your weather pattern is strange, for certain. Canada is much the same, strange and unpredictable. We have had Christmas Days where there was no snow in sight, even downright warm. Never 42c, though. A Christmas barbecue would be my choice for lunch if I lived where you do. Far less dishes and clean up to contend with.

Here's hoping for continued good days.

 

[emmalee]

Hope @Jcb is feeling a little better.

I hope so, too, Once.

 

[emmalee]

@OnceUponaTime

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[Greg Sacramento]

When we first opened I was the nurse admitting you, your nurse in holding bay, your theatre nurse, your PACU nurse, the patients thought it was great as you got to build a repaul with them.

It seems that you had learnt a lot working in different hospital and medical settings. When I was a greenback out of college, we did a survey on how to live a long healthy life that included 1500 doctors, surgeons and therapists. Thoughts from endocrinologists, heart and vascular surgeons, radiologists and a wide variety of therapists were more of benefit. Topping their lists were don't smoke, stay away from toxins, eat healthy in moderation and chew your food well, use correct posture, control stress, get enough sleep and don't work the graveyard shift, stay hydrated, don't be around loud noise as this will increase stress and have several activity involvements - both physical and non physical.

Besides not smoking, the next most noted suggestion was to inventory all your relatives for health issues, diseases and conditions and then act accordingly. This also topped the list from my college professors. Now I'm told that therapist groups have added don't listen to music by earbuds or headphones. Internists have added when researching a complex health concern is to read at least 20 -30 different professional studies.

I plan to stop posting soon, because of serious heart problems that have also caused all sorts of other problems. Wishing you and everyone the best.

 

[Daniel Lion]

It seems that you had learnt a lot working in different hospital and medical settings. When I was a greenback out of college, we did a survey on how to live a long healthy life that included 1500 doctors, surgeons and therapists. Thoughts from endocrinologists, heart and vascular surgeons, radiologists and a wide variety of therapists were more of benefit. Topping their lists were don't smoke, stay away from toxins, eat healthy in moderation and chew your food well, use correct posture, control stress, get enough sleep and don't work the graveyard shift, stay hydrated, don't be around loud noise as this will increase stress and have several activity involvements - both physical and non physical.

Besides not smoking, the next most noted suggestion was to inventory all your relatives for health issues, diseases and conditions and then act accordingly. This also topped the list from my college professors. Now I'm told that therapist groups have added don't listen to music by earbuds or headphones. Internists have added when researching a complex health concern is to read at least 20 -30 different professional studies.

I plan to stop posting soon, because of serious heart problems that have also caused all sorts of other problems. Wishing you and everyone the best.

Bless you friend.
You have helped so many people here.
Come to have a Chit Chat on occasion.
Love and Peace and lots of Hugs for you.
Daniel

 

[all to gain]

It seems that you had learnt a lot working in different hospital and medical settings. When I was a greenback out of college, we did a survey on how to live a long healthy life that included 1500 doctors, surgeons and therapists. Thoughts from endocrinologists, heart and vascular surgeons, radiologists and a wide variety of therapists were more of benefit. Topping their lists were don't smoke, stay away from toxins, eat healthy in moderation and chew your food well, use correct posture, control stress, get enough sleep and don't work the graveyard shift, stay hydrated, don't be around loud noise as this will increase stress and have several activity involvements - both physical and non physical.

Besides not smoking, the next most noted suggestion was to inventory all your relatives for health issues, diseases and conditions and then act accordingly. This also topped the list from my college professors. Now I'm told that therapist groups have added don't listen to music by earbuds or headphones. Internists have added when researching a complex health concern is to read at least 20 -30 different professional studies.

I plan to stop posting soon, because of serious heart problems that have also caused all sorts of other problems. Wishing you and everyone the best.

How long ago were you a greenback out of college?

When you say "stay away from toxins" what does that include? Alcohol, medication and other drugs?

Unfortunately many on this site are around loud noise 24/7 for the rest of their lives... even though they don't want to be!

I followed all the suggestions on the first list... except I ended up taking an antidepressant. Big mistake. My children will be well versed in what not to do and what to do. Whether they follow the advice is something different.

 

[emmalee]

I plan to stop posting soon, because of serious heart problems that have also caused all sorts of other problems. Wishing you and everyone the best.

You will be sincerely missed by so many here on TT, Greg. I am sending you positive, healing thoughts and prayers.

 

[emmalee]

Time for me to take a break to deal with yet another spike. They are becoming far too frequent.

 

[Star64]

Time for me to take a break to deal with yet another spike. They are becoming far too frequent.

Sorry to hear you are having another spike, I hope it settles quickly for you Emmalee

 

[Star64]

It seems that you had learnt a lot working in different hospital and medical settings. When I was a greenback out of college, we did a survey on how to live a long healthy life that included 1500 doctors, surgeons and therapists. Thoughts from endocrinologists, heart and vascular surgeons, radiologists and a wide variety of therapists were more of benefit. Topping their lists were don't smoke, stay away from toxins, eat healthy in moderation and chew your food well, use correct posture, control stress, get enough sleep and don't work the graveyard shift, stay hydrated, don't be around loud noise as this will increase stress and have several activity involvements - both physical and non physical.

Besides not smoking, the next most noted suggestion was to inventory all your relatives for health issues, diseases and conditions and then act accordingly. This also topped the list from my college professors. Now I'm told that therapist groups have added don't listen to music by earbuds or headphones. Internists have added when researching a complex health concern is to read at least 20 -30 different professional studies.

I plan to stop posting soon, because of serious heart problems that have also caused all sorts of other problems. Wishing you and everyone the best.

I am so sorry to hear this Greg
You certainly are a kind and compassionate man, and you have helped so many on Tinnitus Talk, your presence will be sadly missed that is for sure.
Sending healing prays your way,

Now you go and take care of yourself, NURSES ORDERS!!!!

 

[Jazzer]

@Greg Sacramento's not going anywhere,
I won't let him.
He's the top man,
and we are his buddies.
So there !!!
Take care Greg
xxx

 

[Star64]

@Greg Sacramento's not going anywhere,
I won't let him.
He's the top man,
and we are his buddies.
So there !!!
Take care Greg
xxx

He is a top man, he helps so many people on here, of course he can always hang around here and we will look after him, just like he looks after everyone else.
He is also very lucky to have you as his buddy Jazzer

Wishing everybody that is having a rough time right now better days xx

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@Star64 This is still one of the best articles as to what causes different forms of tinnitus. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2686891/

From case study research, I concluded that about 75% to 80% that develop pulsatile T when always having another form of tinnitus is from a metabolic disorder - glucose metabolism, elevated levels of blood lipids - cholesterol and triglyceride levels or high hormone levels causing vestibular disease. All of this is also a cochleovestibular disorder, but only 4% with other forms of tinnitus will develop PT. I had contacted several leading medical publications as to why this data has not be compiled and published and they said good question, we will pass this on to researchers. Case studies do show that severe PT affects the cerebellum and for most all that have another form of T, where mild PT just affects peripheral vestibulopathy. It also seems that intercranial hypertension is more so for those that also have another form of tinnitus.

 

[Sarahjane]

Hi everyone,

A quiet couple of weeks from me. I've been trying to focus myself.

Although this morning my office decided to witness a 2 min silence (if only)!

My T was raging felt like a stampede was racing in my ears. I glanced around the office to see some people looking pensive about those lost at war and all I could think about was trying not to scream just to drown on the tirade of abuse from my ears.

What I would give for two minutes silence.

SJ x

 

[all to gain]

Hi everyone,

A quiet couple of weeks from me. I've been trying to focus myself.

Although this morning my office decided to witness a 2 min silence (if only)!

My T was raging felt like a stampede was racing in my ears. I glanced around the office to see some people looking pensive about those lost at war and all I could think about was trying not to scream just to drown on the tirade of abuse from my ears.

What I would give for two minutes silence.

SJ x

I was so precoccupied with my tinnitus that I forgot about the 2 mins silence and now feel really bad about it. I'd been telling my wife that we need to observe the silence and then I forgot about it myself.

To have only 2 mins silence would be tormenting as you would go back to the noise.

I had around 30 mins silence back in late July. I lay there crying, knowing that the noise would come back. it did, and with a vengeance. Maybe if I had kept calm the silence would have stayed. But I doubt it.

 

[Star64]

Thanks Greg, it was a great article on the different types of tinnitus. I find myself reading more and more of these lately. Your own research was very interesting, and I am glad you went ahead and pointed this out to the powers that be about the data not being published.
I do hope it does get passed on to the researchers and does get compiled and published. The more awareness to all this data the better. You really are a clever man

 

[Star64]

I was so precoccupied with my tinnitus that I forgot about the 2 mins silence and now feel really bad about it. I'd been telling my wife that we need to observe the silence and then I forgot about it myself.

To have only 2 mins silence would be tormenting as you would go back to the noise.

I had around 30 mins silence back in late July. I lay there crying, knowing that the noise would come back. it did, and with a vengeance. Maybe if I had kept calm the silence would have stayed. But I doubt it.

If you got silence for 30 minutes back in July there is still hope you will get this again. Tinnitus can be unpredictable, you may get good days and bad, but hopefully things will at least settle down for you.

Do not ever lose hope

 

[all to gain]

If you got silence for 30 minutes back in July there is still hope you will get this again. Tinnitus can be unpredictable, you may get good days and bad, but hopefully things will at least settle down for you.

Do not ever lose hope

Unfortunately after that my tinnitus came back and was made worse by an MRI.

 

[Jcb]

Hey everybody just a quick update, I'm doing better than last week but still not in a good place but I'm working through it.
I think it's actually truly dawned on me what this crap has taken from me and looks like it's still hungry for more. I'll work through it, it'll just be a new way of life which won't be what I pictured it being like but I guess with T we have to adjust our lives and realise some things just won't be the same anymore.

Hope @OnceUponaTime and @emmalee are doing better?

@Greg Sacramento thank you for all your really informative posts and just plain friendliness mate, I'm sorry you have so much going on, I really am. You are a gent.

Thank you for all your kind words everybody and @Jazzer and @Star64 they mean a lot guys they really do. If I had any tears left I'd cry haha you are all an amazing bunch of weirdos on here and I love it.

 

[Star64]

Hey everybody just a quick update, I'm doing better than last week but still not in a good place but I'm working through it.
I think it's actually truly dawned on me what this crap has taken from me and looks like it's still hungry for more. I'll work through it, it'll just be a new way of life which won't be what I pictured it being like but I guess with T we have to adjust our lives and realise some things just won't be the same anymore.

Hope @OnceUponaTime and @emmalee are doing better?

@Greg Sacramento thank you for all your really informative posts and just plain friendliness mate, I'm sorry you have so much going on, I really am. You are a gent.

Thank you for all your kind words everybody and @Jazzer and @Star64 they mean a lot guys they really do. If I had any tears left I'd cry haha you are all an amazing bunch of weirdos on here and I love it.

At least you are working through things jcb, so that is a good start. Life is ever changing but remember when one door closes another opens. Tinnitus will probably always have us on a roller coaster, but it is up to us if we can at least try and enjoy some of the ride. You have many buddies on here jcb that is a given, and the reason being your an amazing guy with a big heart, and I would love nothing more than to see you in that good place.

 

[Star64]

Unfortunately after that my tinnitus came back and was made worse by an MRI.

I have had an MRI but I was lucky it did not spike my tinnitus. I wore ear plugs plus headphones even though the technician thought that was overkill. It was not, I could still here the jack hammer noise so loud even though I used both.

When you have tried reducing your antidepressant did your tinnitus spike more? I was given an antidepressant a few years back it made my tinnitus worse, after I ceased the drug my tinnitus went back to its normal baseline. I know you have tried to come off it but I was wondering when you did if your tinnitus changed?