Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19) and Tinnitus

[Jack V]

Politicians and famous people are more likely to get it because they come in contact with more people and from all around the world, so they aren't necessarily better off.

Prince Charles was just diagnosed.

Do you need to see celebrities start dropping dead to feel a sense of fairness?

Schadenfreude.

 

[Ruse]

Yes, unbelievable. Also as vile as it gets.

This is the kind of an activity that they used to practice in USSR. No wonder the reality in the UK is what @Ed209 had described:

THAT is what clapping (instead of actually doing something for the doctors and nurses like ensuring they get the proper protection like masks or increasing their salaries to compensate for the added risk and stress) and other hallmarks of collectivism get you.

I've always refrained from replying to any of your posts but this has just made me feel really sorry for you.

Everything from your recommendations that users they should get their teeth extracted rather than undertaking essential dental work, to your belief that the cause of your tinnitus was an electric toothbrush, is a clear sign that you are very unwell.

The fact that you think a country getting together and showing some respect for their healthcare workers is "vile", has only confirmed this.

I am actually shocked that most of your posts are even allowed on here, though until this changes welcome to my ignore list.

 

[bobvann]

Did you test positive? I'm pretty sure that the wife and I both had the virus already, but it was before the testing was available, a few weeks ago. We didn't even think COVID-19, as the symptoms weren't much like the flu, or even a very bad cold. Stay well.

Negative even though part of me secretly wished it would kill me to get me out of this misery...

 

[Jazzer]

Negative even though part of me secretly wished it would kill me to get me out of this misery...

'Bob - I truly understand....x'

 

[Daniel Lion]

I've always refrained from replying to any of your posts but this has just made me feel really sorry for you.

Everything from your recommendations that users they should get their teeth extracted rather than undertaking essential dental work, to your belief that the cause of your tinnitus was an electric toothbrush, is a clear sign that you are very unwell.

The fact that you think a country getting together and showing some respect for their healthcare workers is "vile", has only confirmed this.

I am actually shocked that most of your posts are even allowed on here, though until this changes welcome to my ignore list.

Hi Ruse,

There are times actually when tooth extraction is safer than a root canal. We have to make hard choices, and the risks to someone with hypercusis or bad tinnitus would force their hand to loose the tooth and except that loss as part of human decay in this life. I made the choice for tooth extraction some months ago as opposed to massive work to save a rotten tooth. Teeth are a huge issue for tinnitus sufferers because of sound, TMJ, and conductive issues. Bill's advice I don't think is outlandish. Actually, appropriate in many cases.

Although Bill's predilection to dismiss most things socialist I don't share, I actually found his point about clapping to be pretty much right on. The U.K. government completely botched their job as leaders to look out for their citizens by not being prepared having had loads of time and by oscillating in their public policy till it was too late. Health Care workers who are risking their lives need more than claps... they need proper equipment, support, and to be financially compensated for risking their lives. Their families and loved one's need them too. "Vile", is a strong word... Clapping is nice for moral and to show appreciation, but there are more tangible and meaningful ways to support these people. Clapping could be a compliment to concrete measures such as proper safety equipment, logistical, material, and financial support.
The State propaganda wars being pursued by my birth nation the USA and their foe China and other countries are certainly "vile" , are they not?

Anywho, to each his or her own as long as they are not being impolite or mean. I don't think Bill was either.

 

[Luman]

NOT to play the Dr. Google card, but there's a theory that the amount of the virus particles that you come into contact with, may sometimes determine the level of sickness that you experience. A doctor or healthcare worker, who works in close contact with COVID-19 patients, might stand a higher chance of more severe illness, than somebody that was exposed to somebody with the virus, from a distance.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-questions-about-covid-19-and-viral-load/

 

[linearb]

Anywho, to each his or her own as long as they are not being impolite or mean. I don't think Bill was either.

Honing in on the specific comment chain in question, I think describing a communal show of support for the workers of the healthcare system as "vile" and "USSR like" crosses several lines and that calling that out is pretty reasonable.

If anything it's a state-encouraged continuation of community-started efforts in Italy to show solidarity despite self-imposed confinement; it would be one thing if it was a rallying cry for war or invading Wuhan or something, but people working on the front lines of this should be lauded, communities should find ways to feel more connected to make cabin fever more tolerable, and so I think this is a lot more nuanced than "nationalism, bad!!"

NOT to play the Dr. Google card, but there's a theory that the amount of the virus particles that you come into contact with, may sometimes determine the level of sickness that you experience. A doctor or healthcare worker, who works in close contact with COVID-19 patients, might stand a higher chance of more severe illness, than somebody that was exposed to somebody with the virus, from a distance.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-questions-about-covid-19-and-viral-load/

This also reinforces why social distancing works in two different axis: slow the spread, increase the number of noncritical cases.

I'm not optimistic about a vaccine, and I'm unsure why anyone cynical about tinnitus research would be. If it happens it's not going to be until we've been through at least 3-5 waves of sickness and this is just globally endemic like the other four common human coronaviruses.

 

[GregCA]

This well-done 5-minute video made an awful lot of sense to me. In fact, it sorta feels like I found a gem.

How to kill Corona Virus at home, COVID 19 by Dr Dan Lee Dimke, PhD. Hot air therapy

 

[Bill Bauer]

made me feel really sorry for you

Look at your post - it is a personal attack without any substance. You talk as if your beliefs are self-evident truth without an attempt to use logic and facts to address my critique or to justify your beliefs. Your kindergarten teachers had brainwashed you and you continue to cling to it. I feel sorry for you.

your recommendations that users they should get their teeth extracted rather than undertaking essential dental work

My new dentist is specializing in the use of lasers. As a result of that he sees many tinnitus sufferers and is aware of how bad dental procedures can cause tinnitus to be. One of my teeth requires a crown. The DENTIST has actually told me that one of my options is to have it extracted (the tooth is right next to my canine tooth, so this will be visible, and a bridge would require as much drilling as a crown, so not a good option). Now, I did explain to him that I take tinnitus and the chance of making it worse seriously, but I haven't told him that if it gets loud enough I would be totally open to committing suicide. This dentist is amazing, and it is totally worth it to travel over 4 hours one way to see him. In any case, as you can see, this is not an option to automatically be discarded. [Aside: I am considering getting a crown for that tooth, because the doctor is willing to take his time - to use his drill at the lowest RPM and to take frequent breaks.]

As for my posts, I think all I advised was for the person to consider his or her options. If the tooth is at the back, or if one feels like any increase in tinnitus volume would cause one to commit suicide, the option of pulling the tooth might well be the best option one has.

The fact that you think a country getting together and showing some respect for their healthcare workers is "vile"

Increasing salaries and providing them with protection such as masks is showing respect. Organizing clapping campaigns as a substitute to masks is NOT showing respect. This is exactly what went on in the country of the Soviet Union, and the actual outcome (as illustrated by the facts reported by Ed that I quoted) is, predictably, like something that had been happening in the USSR.

p.s. Given that the healthcare system in the UK is failing (as evidenced by Ed's posts), is a clapping campaign an appropriate response? If the people ignore the fact that critically ill people have to wait over 9 hours for a bed at a hospital and that their calls to a helpline get unanswered and are not being returned, and act as if they are happy with the system, can they expect the system to improve? They should be confronting hospital administrators and the politicians demanding better service. There is nothing to be thankful for.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Honing in on the specific comment chain in question, I think describing a communal show of support for the workers of the healthcare system as "vile" and "USSR like" crosses several lines and that calling that out is pretty reasonable.

If anything it's a state-encouraged continuation of community-started efforts in Italy to show solidarity despite self-imposed confinement; it would be one thing if it was a rallying cry for war or invading Wuhan or something, but people working on the front lines of this should be lauded, communities should find ways to feel more connected to make cabin fever more tolerable, and so I think this is a lot more nuanced than "nationalism, bad!!"


This also reinforces why social distancing works in two different axis: slow the spread, increase the number of noncritical cases.

I'm not optimistic about a vaccine, and I'm unsure why anyone cynical about tinnitus research would be. If it happens it's not going to be until we've been through at least 3-5 waves of sickness and this is just globally endemic like the other four common human coronaviruses.

I clicked "show ignored content" and saw the post above. Thank you for the pothead perspective!

[I made this post knowing that you won't be offended, as you made it clear that you don't believe there is anything wrong with being a junkie.]

 

[valeri]

https://thefatemperor.com/news-bulletin-a-most-important-coronavirus-covid-19-update/

 

[GregCA]

Given that the healthcare system in the UK is failing (as evidenced by Ed's posts), is a clapping campaign an appropriate response?

I think they are not clapping to celebrate the system, they're clapping to honor the people who put their lives at risk and work hard in spite of the system.

 

[bobvann]

I got a call from one of my subordinates today that they were renovating a part of the site I supervise at as a COVID recovery center.

 

[linearb]

I clicked "show ignored content" and saw the post above. Thank you for the pothead perspective!

[I made this post knowing that you won't be offended, as you made it clear that you don't believe there is anything wrong with being a junkie.]

When I attack someone on substance and they respond with an ad hominem attack or other logical fallacy, I don't feel offended so much as vindicated in whatever annoying comment I'd made.

You're both right and wrong on the second point; "junkie" isn't a slur against pot use so that's just incorrect vocabulary, but I think drug abuse is a social problem, so there's nothing "wrong" with being a junkie per se. Your regressive views on cannabis don't offend me either, I just see them as vestigial pieces of a long since lost culture war.

Of course, I know you'll never read any of this, so here's a puppy

For reference, derogatory terms that are generally applied to cannabis users are:
(Pothead)
Stoner
Burnout
Doper
Burner*

* be careful, this has other meanings

Titles held by regular pot users I know include
Project Manager
Data Security Engineer
Chief Executive Officer
Engineering Manager
Professor

 

[Bill Bauer]

I think they are not clapping to celebrate the system, they're clapping to honor the people who put their lives at risk and work hard in spite of the system.

It's part of their job. The fact that they might be required to place their lives at risk has got to be one of the reasons their salaries are as high as they are. Clapping implies that they are doing something that isn't part of their job, and such an assumption is messed up.

By the way, the fact that they Are willing to risk their lives (and disregard the well being of their own families) is nothing to be proud of. They had either been brainwashed or they have an irrational love for money. Irrational either way, and it is healthy for irrationality to be frown upon instead of being celebrated.

I don't respect kamikaze pilots, despite their sacrifice for the good of their society. Basically, any society that expects and rewards people sacrificing themselves is a degenerate society.

 

[Jack V]

Clapping implies that they are doing something that isn't part of their job

Healthcare workers are unsung heroes, and applauding them is simply the public acknowledging their heroic work during a crisis.

In no way does it substitute for "increasing salaries and providing them with protection such as masks," as you said. It complements it. Of course they need supplies and protection most of all, but I read the applause as simply an expression of gratitude at the end of a long day.

Basically, any society that expects and rewards people sacrificing themselves is a degenerate society.

I've always thought the opposite is true: any society in which people are not willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good does not last very long.

 

[Bill Bauer]

 

[Bill Bauer]

Healthcare workers are unsung heroes

Isn't what they have been doing part of their job description?

For most occupations it's true that the society wouldn't function and people would die if the members of that occupations were to stop working.

Of course they need supplies and protection most of all, but I read the applause as simply an expression of gratitude at the end of a long day.

Is the value of the applause to the recipient more or less than $10?

any society in which people are not willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good does not last very long.

Your ideas got tested. We have had collectivist vs. individualist systems squaring off. The collectivist system (where everyone from cradle to grave got reminded to sacrifice for the good of the others, and those were in fact the values of those societies) was the one that had collapsed. Note that nowadays its collectivist everywhere. Not going to last long - and we are already seeing harbingers of that.

 

[Bill Bauer]

When I attack someone on substance

I had addressed the "attacks" of the others, so you are welcome to read that those responses. I haven't seen you addressing any of my points.

Professor

Yes, once one has tenure, the pressure to perform is reduced and some people take advantage of that.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Healthcare workers are unsung heroes

Here is the approach of the people in Singapore: doctors and nurses being provided with a safe working environment, while the members of the public are evaluating the chances that the other person is infected and acting accordingly:

Singapore's stockpile was sufficient to cover at least 5 to 6 months' use by all front-line health care workers.

However, amid all the gloom,
Singapore's experience
is being held up as a reason for optimism. The city state has reported more than 630 cases of infection, all of which are being treated in hospital, yet only a handful of its health care professionals have been infected. What's more, even these cases, according to Vernon Lee, director of communicable diseases at the Ministry of Health, are thought to have been infected outside the health care setting.

it is often Singapore that is held up as an example to replicate. Despite the country grappling with a rising load of Covid-19 patients, most of whom have recently returned to the city state from abroad, its health care system has continued to run smoothly.

While in France, Italy and Britain, residents cheer health care workers from their windows, in Singapore health care workers are seen by some people as disease carriers.

"I try not to wear my uniform home because you never know what kind of incidents you may encounter," said one Singapore nurse. "The public is scared and wearing our uniforms actually causes quite a bit of inconvenience. One of my staff tried to book a private-hire car to the hospital for an emergency and she was rejected by five drivers."

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/heal...virus-why-so-few-infections-singapores-health

 

[Jazzer]

Healthcare workers are unsung heroes, and applauding them is simply the public acknowledging their heroic work during a crisis.

In no way does it substitute for "increasing salaries and providing them with protection such as masks," as you said. It complements it. Of course they need supplies and protection most of all, but I read the applause as simply an expression of gratitude at the end of a long day.

I've always thought the opposite is true: any society in which people are not willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good does not last very long.

I live in a gated community park, on a square where the buildings all face each other.
Everybody stood on their balconies, clapped and cheered for ages.
I cried - I couldn't help it.
Such selfless heroes.
Incredible people.

 

[Star64]

It's part of their job. The fact that they might be required to place their lives at risk has got to be one of the reasons their salaries are as high as they are. Clapping implies that they are doing something that isn't part of their job, and such an assumption is messed up.

By the way, the fact that they Are willing to risk their lives (and disregard the well being of their own families) is nothing to be proud of. They had either been brainwashed or they have an irrational love for money. Irrational either way, and it is healthy for irrationality to be frown upon instead of being celebrated.

I don't respect kamikaze pilots, despite their sacrifice for the good of their society. Basically, any society that expects and rewards people sacrificing themselves is a degenerate society.

Please tell me I have I read this post wrong or are you actually saying medical staff should not be treating patients right now due to the risk of them catching COVID-19 and putting their own families at risk?

Am I also reading the next paragraph wrong that you feel that medical personal are only working because they have a love for money????

I can tell you Bill if that is what you are saying, you better stay healthy right now, your loved ones better stay healthy right now, not just because of COVID-19.

Ill health does not stop for COVID-19!!!!!

COVID-19 certainly places extra stress on an already fractured system in a lot of countries, but elderly patients were still being attended too in the ER last night that have fallen and fractured their hips, the young 8 year old boy who fell off his bike and fractured his leg, the man that suffered acute appendicitis, cancer treatments etc, the list goes on and on, illness and accidents do not just stop because of COVID-19.

If I wanted to make serious money Bill I would not have chosen nursing as a career, I spent years at university Bill, my nursing career cost me money to undertake, I had to work for years to pay off this debt, I chose nursing because I was interested in health, MONEY is no good to anyone, money comes and goes, HEALTH is the most important thing anyone can have.

I actually thought you would realise this as we all have a degree of ill health on this site, wouldn't we all like to just be healthy individuals again.

My friends and family members do not expect people to stand and applaud them for just doing their job, but to say medical personal are just turning up for the sake of money is ludicrous. Please tell me Bill I have read this post wrong, for if not, I am at a loss as to what you are thinking!!!!!

 

[Gabriel]

After quarantaine measure, the number of case is suppose to start growing less rapidly after 4-6days which is, from my sources, the average time for incubation.
It of course continues to grow because there is people with longer incubation time and also people that even though they will have passed that period, won't report straight away because of there symptoms being light.
Which means the curve should start growing less after 4-6 days and start to flatten after let's day 10-14 days, the time needed for all last infected people to report and the time for the longest incubation to be finished.

When talking about numbers for epidemic we have to remember there is an inertia in the cases.
And that this inertia is different for "cured number" than for "death number" which is why we can't compare both these numbers at a same T time.

As for the exponential growth the "trend" is exponential but this is not a pure exponential.

If you want the "real" formula of the spreading, take the data of daily new cases (even if it's not super precise), put it in an Excel sheet, make a graph and put the trend formula.

If people are interested I could actually do that for few countries, it's easy to do. I am just commenting as always from my phone and quite lazy

 

[another sean]

Take a look at the writings of Stephen Buhner on his Facebook page using Isatis, which has been shown successful in eradicating other coronaviruses.

I looked at his Facebook page but couldn't find much mentioned about it.

I was speaking with friends from China and they are suggesting I stock up on Lianhua Qingwen if I get infected. It's what many in China took to combat SARS infections. What was nice about this recommendation is that there was a clinical trial for it comparing its efficacy against the popular anti-viral drug Ribavirin and found Lianhua Qingwen was more effective.

 

[Daniel Lion]

Lock down here in Vientiane Laos. Thank F#ck, the government finally turned the screw.
I'll keep you guys posted.

@Ed209 I hope your family are getting better, and hope all my tinnitus friends here are safe. Hard times for all, and a double shit wammy for sufferers like us or any condition that is hell.

 

[jimH]

Am I also reading the next paragraph wrong that you feel that medical personal are only working because they have a love for money????

My friends and family members do not expect people to stand and applaud them for just doing their job, but to say medical personal are just turning up for the sake of money is ludicrous. Please tell me Bill I have read this post wrong, for if not, I am at a loss as to what you are thinking!!!!!

I was looking for the post that you were referring to. Perhaps it was deleted.

My daughter is a registered nurse and works in Vermont. Although, it's not bad where she is, yet. She volunteered to go to one of the "Hot Zones" (New York or Boston) if needed. I know my daughter and I couldn't agree with you more. She is most definitely not in it primarily for the money! I'm just glad that her boss and hospital staff told her not to go because she will eventually be needed where she is. As you can imagine, I was greatly relieved to know that she won't be going.

I have only contempt for anyone who says that they are mostly doing it for the money!

 

[all to gain]

Boris Johnson has tested positive for coronavirus.

It will be interesting to see how he and other nations respond to this and how it will affect, if at all, his position as PM.

Matt Hancock, the health secretary, has also tested positive for the virus. These two are the very people responsible for how the UK responds to the virus. Hancock is also the man we were hoping to get further funding from for tinnitus research in the UK.

 

[linearb]

Yes, once one has tenure, the pressure to perform is reduced and some people take advantage of that.

Two questions: why do you view cannabis as some fundamentally different thing than other mind-altering drugs, and if it's part of the coping stack I have after 20 years with tinnitus that's giving me better quality of life, under medical supervision, why would you possibly attack me or anyone else for that on a tinnitus forum?

Second, and this is twofold, do you believe that society in general rewards people based on their utility to society? If so, how do you reconcile that with the fact that despite cannabis use having some bias towards lower incomes, spastically 28% of users have household incomes > $75,000 which hits the 58th percentile of US household income? Pot users on average outperform nonusers on income.

If not, then what criteria are you using to evaluate people's worth to society, and why should I care?

 

[Bill Bauer]

are you actually saying medical staff should not be treating patients right now due to the risk of them catching COVID-19 and putting their own families at risk?

They have a right to a safe working environment. If one isn't provided for them, they Shouldn't be expected to and if they are rational (and non brainwashed) they wouldn't Want to risk their lives. No matter how much kamikaze pilots and suicide bombers might achieve for their society, these practices aren't something to celebrate and Especially not something to be proud of.

I was looking for the post that you were referring to. Perhaps it was deleted.

Star64 is talking about my post. Star64 quoted it. It sounds like I am on your Ignore list.

that you feel that medical personal are only working because they have a love for money????

I listed two explanations for risking one's life: brainwashed to feel that sacrificing their life is a good thing, or love of money. If one allows oneself to be brainwashed (by the people who Aren't going to be risking their lives, but who will benefit from You doing it) it's sad and, like I said, nothing to be proud of. Same goes for the people who risk their health (the most valuable thing one has) for money.

I can tell you Bill if that is what you are saying, you better stay healthy right now, your loved ones better stay healthy right now, not just because of COVID-19.

Beginning in my early 30s, I Have been doing all I can to stay healthy.

nursing as a career

Are you being provided with masks and do you feel that your job is reasonably safe nowadays?

If you were to feel that going to work increases the chance of you or someone from your family dying in the next couple of months to, say, 1%, would you be Able to stop coming to work? In other words, would you be fired (and be unable to find another nursing job in the future)? If you would be fired if you were to be honest with your employer, could you be sneaky and find a way to not risk your life while keeping your job (e.g., claim that you have symptoms of COVID-19 and say that you are self-isolating and after the 2 weeks are up claim that now someone in your family has the symptoms, etc)?

Now if 1% isn't high enough to convince you to not come to work, how high does it have to get for you to change your mind? Surely 100% would do it, right?

HEALTH is the most important thing anyone can have

I couldn't agree more.

medical personal are just turning up for the sake of money is ludicrous

I didn't say it (that they must be doing it for the money) and that's not what I actually believe.

 

[Bill Bauer]

There is a way to re-use masks. Place a used mask in an oven heated to 70 degrees C or 160 degrees F for 30 minutes or hold it over boiling water for over 10 minutes. See Table 2 in
https://stanfordmedicine.box.com/v/covid19-PPE-1-1