Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19) and Tinnitus

[Tybs]

Am I missing something? The observations below (see the panel describing the morality of 65+ older people) seem to be consistent with the "it's just the flu" hypothesis...
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These stats were released by the Dutch government yesterday. It's in Dutch of course, but when scrolling down, the first graph "Oversterfte 2020" shows the current death rate (top blue line) compared to normally expected (red intermittent line). You might need to click the image once before it shows.

 

[Bill Bauer]

These stats were released by the Dutch government yesterday. It's in Dutch of course, but when scrolling down, the first graph "Oversterfte 2020" shows the current death rate (top blue line) compared to normally expected (red intermittent line). You might need to click the image once before it shows.

Looks like the other stats are one week behind.

 

[Luman]

People, see how the number of COVID-19 cases increases in every European country yet Romania only has like 150 cases/day? I'll tell you why. Because the government is literally LYING AND HIDING information. They no longer do regional reports and only nation-wide. These politicians are criminals! We have shortage of everything: tests, masks, protection costumes... It's censorship almost like in the communist era.

Not sure I understand your point. Which government is lying, Romania? Where are you referring to as, "here"?

 

[another sean]

My primary doctor/doctors work at a wellness clinic that practices functional medicine. I bounce around between two doctors there. One is a ND, the other is a MD. The MD has a 4 month waiting list so I see the ND in between. Best docs I've ever had. So I spoke to both about what I can take to help prevent/fight a coronavirus infection. They suggested the following as daily maintenance. Meaning start taking now.

2000mg Vitamin C (buffered would be more tolerable and break up the dosage over the course of a day)
2000mg of fish oil for the omegas to keep inflammation down
1000-1200mg of NAC, again it reduces inflammation

She also recommended D3 but I can't take it because it's a neuro-enhancer and launches my anxiety into panic-attackville.

Coronavirus causes massive inflammation in the lungs. That's why keeping inflammation down is critical.

I was surprised she mentioned NAC as those who have tinnitus are familiar with it.

You should use proper P3 R class filter reusable masks.

Ordered. Thanks.

 

[linearb]

Looks like the other stats are one week behind.

doesn't make much different for a normal flu vector

for a novel virus that's both substantially more virulant and deadly and only beginning to become endemic... the exponential curve is even higher, and a week matters a lot!

A week ago in the US, we had 2,200 dead. Now we have 7800, so we'll probably be at 8500 by the end of the day, a 386% increase in a week. If we extend that two weeks to where the curve is expected to start to spike some places, that gets us to 116,000. If we follow the "doubling every 3 days" rough number thrown around, that gets us to 256K.

Hope my math and assumptions are very wrong, and things cap out at under 50k; seems unlikely but I can't envision a scenario where things play out better than that.

If we actually reach that point we can then compare that to the over the top reaction we are currently experiencing

What about the general observation that the kind of social distancing and control measures being taken globally are completely unprecedented*, and are obviously slowing the spread of the virus and the rate at which medical infrastructure is overwhelmed? That is, if we came out of this as "well, this didn't actually kill any/many more people than a bad flu year..", it would still be "...but keeping the numbers that low required massive, unprecedented measures be taken which have fundamentally changed the social fabric of the country".

That still sounds nothing like "normal flu year" to me?

Also, your article about 80,000 deaths very clearly states that was the "worst flu season in four decades", and the number from CDC for last year was 34,200. So, you're already making a comparison not to a normal flu year, but to the wost flu since 1977. Those deaths are also pretty consistently distributed over a reliable and fairly lengthy (13-16 week) season; it's just not comparable to something that has a sudden spike that demands all the resources at once

Do you think that actually social distancing doesn't matter, all the science on this is wrong, and that if people had just continued to go about their lives as normal we wouldn't be looking at a substantially worse situation? If so, why do you believe that?

If this is still in "normal flu" situation, why is NYC reporting morgues full, crematories running 24/7, and FEMA trailers used as porta-morgues when none of those things happen during flu years, including the 2018/2019 season?

I am just trying to reconcile "these are pretty normal numbers" with "everything in society has changed and yet we're still running out of ICU and morgue capacity". Imagine how many more people the flu would kill if we didn't have moderately effective vaccines..


* excluding parts of Asia that are used to doing this song and dance from SARS/MERS

 

[Bndsmheowqhe]

That is, if we came out of this as "well, this didn't actually kill any/many more people than a bad flu year..", it would still be "...but keeping the numbers that low required massive, unprecedented measures

Also, your article about 80,000 deaths very clearly states that was the "worst flu season in four decades", and the number from CDC for last year was 34,200.

You're missing the point. We experienced an actual death toll that is similar to the projected numbers (which are almost certainly going to be too high) without experiencing any of the mass hysteria and economic destruction we're currently witnessing

Do you think that actually social distancing doesn't matter, all the science on this is wrong,

Social distancing was supposed to be about "flattening the curve" in order to reduce the strain on our medical system by spreading the illness out over a longer period of time. Now that the doomsday scenario has failed to pan out it's predictably being rebranded as the reason we never achieved the higher death tolls that were never going to happen in the first place.

If this is still in "normal flu" situation, why is NYC reporting morgues full, crematories running 24/7, and FEMA trailers used as porta-morgues when none of those things happen during flu years, including the 2018/2019 season?

You mean like this picture of an 'overwhelmed' NYC hospital?

 

[Jack V]

People, see how the number of COVID-19 cases increases in every European country yet Romania only has like 150 cases/day? I'll tell you why. Because the government is literally LYING AND HIDING information. They no longer do regional reports and only nation-wide. These politicians are criminals! We have shortage of everything: tests, masks, protection costumes... It's censorship almost like in the communist era.

Alternatively, generations of Romanian vampires (with immune systems even more robust than Chinese bats) have been living among the humans and quietly inoculating them through their nightly feedings.

 

[Gabriel5050]

@Luman Yes, I was referring to the Romanian government. We had a streak of bad prime ministers if you ask me. Also, nowhere did the word "here" appear in my comment you quoted, so idk what you're asking.

 

[Jack V]

What about the general observation that the kind of social distancing and control measures being taken globally are completely unprecedented*, and are obviously slowing the spread of the virus and the rate at which medical infrastructure is overwhelmed? That is, if we came out of this as "well, this didn't actually kill any/many more people than a bad flu year..", it would still be "...but keeping the numbers that low required massive, unprecedented measures be taken which have fundamentally changed the social fabric of the country".

That still sounds nothing like "normal flu year" to me?

Also, your article about 80,000 deaths very clearly states that was the "worst flu season in four decades", and the number from CDC for last year was 34,200. So, you're already making a comparison not to a normal flu year, but to the wost flu since 1977. Those deaths are also pretty consistently distributed over a reliable and fairly lengthy (13-16 week) season; it's just not comparable to something that has a sudden spike that demands all the resources at once

Do you think that actually social distancing doesn't matter, all the science on this is wrong, and that if people had just continued to go about their lives as normal we wouldn't be looking at a substantially worse situation? If so, why do you believe that?

If this is still in "normal flu" situation, why is NYC reporting morgues full, crematories running 24/7, and FEMA trailers used as porta-morgues when none of those things happen during flu years, including the 2018/2019 season?

I am just trying to reconcile "these are pretty normal numbers" with "everything in society has changed and yet we're still running out of ICU and morgue capacity". Imagine how many more people the flu would kill if we didn't have moderately effective vaccines..


* excluding parts of Asia that are used to doing this song and dance from SARS/MERS

When I suggested to him that he was confusing the overall number of deaths in an entire flu season with early numbers of a novel virus with a significantly higher percentage of mortality, at the very onset of its introduction into the human species (not to mention no herd immunity, no vaccine, no treatment, and unprecedented mitigation), instead of responding to the content, he responded with a series of condescending insults, which I interpret as his way of saying "yes, of course you're right, but it's important to me to appear smarter than everyone else."

But yes, of course you're right. However, I doubt you will "win" this argument with him, at least in his response, even though facts, science, and the shared experience of people all over the world happen to be on your side.

 

[Bndsmheowqhe]

When I suggested to him that he was confusing the overall number of deaths in an entire flu season with early numbers of a novel virus with a significantly higher percentage of mortality, at the very onset of its introduction into the human species (not to mention no herd immunity, no vaccine, no treatment, and unprecedented mitigation), instead of responding to the content, he responded with a series of condescending insults, which I interpret as his way of saying "yes, of course you're right, but it's important to me to appear smarter than everyone else."

But yes, of course you're right. However, I doubt you will "win" this argument with him, at least in his response, even though facts, science, and the shared experience of people all over the world happen to be on your side.

You're rewriting history. You were trying to draw a clumsy parallel using Space Shuttle missions and commercial airline flights that actually contradicted your position.

First we would need to address the incorrect statistics that you provided.

You would need to compare actual missions per shuttle rather than just the number of shuttles in use. 135 Space shuttle missions vs the 5 Space Shuttles that actually flew missions.

The total number of crew members of all 135 space shuttle missions: 833.

Number of crew members that died: 14

That means that 1.680672268907563% of all Space Shuttle crewmembers died during their missions on a vehicle that traveled at speeds of 17,500 miles per hour. All things considered that's not a bad track record for what it is.

*The 2003 accident could arguably be excluded because it was the result of a completely unnecessary replacement of the standard tank foam with a harder "environmentally friendly" foam that damaged the tiles on take off and led to the eventual disaster during reentry. Apparently someone at NASA was concerned that having a relatively small piece of the safer foam fall into a swamp in the middle of nowhere was a major problem and decided to replace it with the harder Astronaut killing foam that caused the accident. A perfect example of how alarmist overreactions can cause dire unintended consequences.

The total number of passengers that flew on commercial airliners in 2017 alone was 4.1 billion. I wasn't able to find the exact statistics for the entire history of commercial aviation but based on that number it's probably safe to assume it's around 50 billion.

The number of people killed in commercial airline crashes since 1942 is approximately 75,000.

That means that 0.00015000000000000001% of all
commercial airline passengers over the past 80 years have died during their flight. We could more specific and adjust for the fact the Shuttle program only lasted 30 years but it really isn't necessary for our purposes.

In theory traveling on the Space Shuttle is 11,200x more likely to result in death than traveling on a commercial airliner.

In reality 74,986 more people have died on the statistically safer mode of transportation.

When I pointed out the deficiencies of your reasoning you started arguing in circles rather than acknowledge your mistake and then played the victim when you were called out on your passive aggressive behavior.

 

[Bill Bauer]

An Oxford University study estimates the fatality rate as being 0.1% - 0.26%.

We could make a simple estimation of the IFR (infection fatality rate) as 0.26%, based on halving the lowest boundary of the CFR prediction interval. However, the considerable uncertainty over how many people have the disease means an IFR of 0.26 is likely an overestimate. In Swine flu, the IFR ended up as 0.02%, fivefold less than the lowest estimate during the outbreak (the lowest estimate was 0.1% in the 1st ten weeks of the outbreak). In Iceland, where the most testing per capita has occurred, the IFR lies between. 0.01% and 0.19%.Taking account of historical experience, trends in the data, increased number of infections in the population at largest, and potential impact of misclassification of deaths gives a presumed estimate for the COVID-19 IFR between 0.1% and 0.26%.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

 

[valeri]

Any thoughts on Event 201 and Lockstep?

 

[Bill Bauer]

Good news!

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa375/5815295

 

[HeavyMantra]

Any thoughts on Event 201 and Lockstep?

Well, I've been reading a lot of conspiracy theories lately because I have few things to entertain me right now. This is the type of event that conspiracy theorists have been waiting for, and I personally am interested to see if their theories about the virus are correct or if they have no idea what they're talking about. The conspiracy community seems to attract both intellectuals and random midwest truckers looking for bigfoot in their spare time.

 

[all to gain]

I see UK health secretary Matt Hancock has said Premier League footballers should "take a pay cut and play their part" during the coronavirus pandemic.

I wonder if he is going to follow his own advice and take a pay cut?

 

[another sean]

Good news!

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa375/5815295

This is extremely good news. I was worried about this night and day.

 

[SugarMagnolia]

BTW, A good friend of mine has gotten into the habit of immediately taking his clothes off when he gets home, and throwing them in the dryer at high temperature for about 10 minutes. Makes a whole lot of sense to me.

He must get some funny looks in the laundromat.

 

[SugarMagnolia]

It definitely seemed suspicious when they were talking about how health care workers needed masks to protect themselves from the virus but were later insisting that (somehow) if the public wore masks, it would offer no protection.

Different kind of masks. Someone wearing a cloth mask protects other people from his nasty droplet-ridden exhalations. Someone wearing an N95 respirator mask protects himself from other people's nasty droplet-ridden exhalations.

Basically, the masks you are being asked to wear do not protect you. They protect other people from you. The masks that would protect you are the ones you're not allowed to have.

 

[SugarMagnolia]

I mentioned that in addition to that extra layer of cloth protection when going out, the mask can also be sprayed lightly with a hydrogen peroxide mist, making it all the more effective. When we get home, it can be thrown in the dryer at high temperature for 10 minutes (along with our other clothes), and be ready for reuse.

This is why so many people don't see the relationship between economic inequality and infection rates. For the rich, this sentence actually makes sense. For the poor, it sounds crazy to suggest going to the laundromat everyday and then waiting in that crowded room without the mask while my mask is in a drier that just contained who-knows-what.

 

[SugarMagnolia]

For everyone who is wearing a mask, please remember: Once you put the mask on, don't touch it.

Put the mask on at home with freshly washed hands.
While you're out, NEVER touch the mask.
When you come home, wash your hands before removing the mask.
Discard the mask. Then wash your hands again.

If you have to keep touching the mask to adjust it, you are touching the thin piece of cloth that is pressed against your nose and mouth. The rule 'don't touch your face' also means don't touch the cloth that is on your face.

I imagine a lot of people "feel" safe wearing a mask without realizing that every time they adjust it they are putting themselves in danger.

 

[HeavyMantra]

Good news!

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa375/5815295

Great, now we can all use women to masturbate again!

 

[FGG]

Different kind of masks. Someone wearing a cloth mask protects other people from his nasty droplet-ridden exhalations. Someone wearing an N95 respirator mask protects himself from other people's nasty droplet-ridden exhalations.

Basically, the masks you are being asked to wear do not protect you. They protect other people from you. The masks that would protect you are the ones you're not allowed to have.

It also reduces your exposure to viral load, making you less sick if you do get exposed, so it protects you, too.

But yeah you still should social distance, etc.

 

[PhoenixAcademy]

You mean like this picture of an 'overwhelmed' NYC hospital?

I want to know the name(s) of the people responsible for this, an explanation, and then real images of what is being claimed. I went to the hardware store yesterday and it reminded me of the first level of Half-Life 2. I personally don't even know anyone that is infected, neither does anyone that I have asked.

 

[FGG]

Great, now we can all use women to masturbate again!

I'm having a super hard time understanding what you mean here.

Were people not masturbating? Because of COVID-19? What now??

 

[GregCA]

I personally don' even know anyone that is infected, neither does anyone that I have asked.

Ask me and that will change.

 

[aot]

I'm having a super hard time understanding what you mean here.

Were people not masturbating? Because of COVID-19? What now??

I think that's just him throwing shade at a comment Bill made once.

 

[Bill Bauer]

I'm having a super hard time understanding what you mean here.

Were people not masturbating? Because of COVID-19? What now??

In one of the posts I made many moons ago, I pointed out that sex is using a woman's body to masturbate. It looks like that post made a huge impression on HeavyMantra.

 

[Bill Bauer]

relationship between economic inequality

What have YOU personally done to not be economically unequal? What's your education like?

Have you ever tried to not do anything except study for several years? That's all you had to do.

 

[Lilah]

I know 4 people infected, indirectly:
- Two unnamed coworkers, maybe I know them
- Another coworker's father
- Churchgoer's nanny's grandpa passed

 

[Lilah]

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