Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19) and Tinnitus

[HeavyMantra]

Setting aside that some doctors think hydrops can be caused after a viral injury (particularly Dr. Gacek, who is writing a book about his experience with viruses and Meniere's currently)...

Viruses are a leading cause of sudden idiopathic hearing loss, and a particular virus, CMV is a major cause of in utero hearing loss. These are generally hair cell loss issues and quick steroids can often salvage these ears (which makes me think it tends not to be at all a cranial nerve related problem otherwise IT Steroids shouldn't help and they often do in those particular cases) -- the before and after audiograms are startling--because steroid use suggests it is the immune reaction to the viruses, not the virus itself that causes the problem.

Any tips for me? Should I try to get steroids even though it's been about 2 weeks since the first of these tones appeared?

 

[FGG]

Any tips for me? Should I try to get steroids even though it's been about 2 weeks since the first of these tones appeared?

At least talk to an ENT about it, and sooner than later.

Edit: Btw, everything I said applies to the commonly otologically known viruses. I have no idea if COVID-19 differs in important ways.

 

[HeavyMantra]

I need help. I haven't slept properly for weeks and I cannot figure out what to do. I have an ENT appointment in 24 hours, what do I do? What do I say? What do I ask for?

 

[Daniel Lion]

I need help. I haven't slept properly for weeks and I cannot figure out what to do. I have an ENT appointment in 24 hours, what do I do? What do I say? What do I ask for?

Tell your doctor you suspect you have had some sudden hearing loss and you already have tinnitus and hearing issues. You would like a 5 day script of oral steroids, as you mentioned in your earlier post. I would recommend some Valium, you sound very stressed and anxious (sorry brother). If you object to the benzo help then please have your partner give you a long massage, you need some comforting.

I honestly think the oral steroid thing is a placebo from personal experience but who knows, 5 days won't hurt you.

Fresh Turmeric and Ginger Tea. Fish with garlic and anything to help you relax.

Hope you feel better HeavyMantra... please report if you do.

Daniel

 

[HeavyMantra]

Tell your doctor you suspect you have had some sudden hearing loss and you already have tinnitus and hearing issues. You would like a 5 day script of oral steroids, as you mentioned in your earlier post. I would recommend some Valium, you sound very stressed and anxious (sorry brother). If you object to the benzo help then please have your partner give you a long massage, you need some comforting.

I honestly think the oral steroid thing is a placebo from personal experience but who knows, 5 days won't hurt you.

Fresh Turmeric and Ginger Tea. Fish with garlic and anything to help you relax.

Hope you feel better HeavyMantra... please report if you do.

Daniel

Thank you friend.

I don't have the energy to research this enough. Steroids seem like a good idea if you have been exposed to a gunshot or something similar. I will take a hearing test tomorrow, but my ears are full of wax and I don't know if the test will tell me if I have any new hearing loss. It's been 2,5 weeks since I had the first new tone, will the risk of taking steroids really be worth it?

Benzos are not prescribed in Sweden unless people are psychotic or violent. They will tell me to take Mirtazapine or antihistamines if anything.

I doubt the ENT will even know about steroid use for these things.

 

[ajc]

Benzos are not prescribed in Sweden unless people are psychotic or violent. They will tell me to take Mirtazapine or antihistamines if anything.

Useless Sweden. I would move to a better country.

Socialized health care sucks. Can't even get benzos.

 

[HeavyMantra]

Useless Sweden. I would move to a better country.

Socialized health care sucks. Can't even get benzos.

US healthcare seems like a twisted nightmare from where I'm sitting. But at least US healthcare would possibly give me the choice of taking benzos until I die instead of potentially killing myself from tinnitus.

 

[Lane]

I haven't slept properly for weeks

@HeavyMantra -- One of the best things to help me sleep is 1/4 tablet of Tylenol 4. I believe its the codeine in it that helps. In my beginning days of tinnitus, I was only sleeping about 5 minutes at a time about 3-4x a day. When I took my first 1/4 tablet of Tylenol 4, I slept for about 6 hours straight. I heard that some doctors prescribe Tylenol 4 for patients with sleep problems. So I think there's a good chance your doctor would be willing to give you a prescription for it if you ask for it. -- Best!

 

[HeavyMantra]

@HeavyMantra -- One of the best things to help me sleep is 1/4 tablet of Tylenol 4. I believe its the codeine in it that helps. In my beginning days of tinnitus, I was only sleeping about 5 minutes at a time about 3-4x a day. When I took my first 1/4 tablet of Tylenol 4, I slept for about 6 hours straight. I heard that some doctors prescribe Tylenol 4 for patients with sleep problems. So I think there's a good chance your doctor would be willing to give you a prescription for it if you ask for it. -- Best!

Thanks. Paracetamol and codeine seems like a very strange combination though, paracetamol is one of the most common used drugs for fever, headaches etc here. Codeine would not be prescribed in Sweden.

I've been meaning to ask you, do you think Alimemazine is pretty much the same thing as Promethazine when it comes to the anticholinergic effect? It's banned in the USA but given to babies here, almost no info about it on the internet. The only safe sleeping aid I've found is low dose of Mirtazapine (about 3.5 mg) and it unfortunately destroys the whole day after although I like it for sleep.

 

[linearb]

Friend of an online acquintance has this to say about the frontlines in urban California right now:

Hospital had 19 ambulances waiting outsides the ER but they couldn't take in anymore and hospitals banned diverting patients to other hospitals right now because there is no where else to send them. So patients were coding [read: dying] in the ambulances outside the ER

They have erected this to help:

I don't remember that flu season is the normal time when hospitals in multiple places run out of capacity and people with potentially treatable problems die inside of ambulances while emergency triage tents are being constructed outside of metropolitan hospitals, so I am going with "novel, horrific event" and my plan is still "do whatever possible to not get COVID-19".

Stay safe everyone, especially those of y'all in more densely populated places.

Thanks. Paracetamol and codeine seems like a very strange combination though, paracetamol is one of the most common used drugs for fever, headaches etc here. Codeine would not be prescribed in Sweden.

It's a common combination in the US, "Tylenol-3". Specifically, it is sold this way to prevent abuse of the codeine: in order to take enough to get high you'd hurt your liver.

The problems are that addicts don't actually care about hurting their livers, and addicts are also very good at extracting nearly pure codeine from pills like this, and then from there it's relatively straightforward to make into morphine, and then heroin. The thing is -- anyone who is willing to go to that much effort to get heroin, will get it, one way or another.

Several states in the US allow sales of codeine over the counter with no prescription, provided it's mixed with another drug (usually Tylenol or a cough suppressant. I used to live in one of these states; it did not have any more of an opiate problem than anywhere else in the US, and it was nice the once a year that I got a real shitty sickness, to just be able to go get codeine without having to see a doctor.

These days, I am enough of a botanist to keep my own medicine cabinet pretty filled, aside from the prescribed benzos I get

 

[Ed209]

With 1 in 5 of those who contract Covid going on to have long Covid, the UK government have now set up clinics across the country to help those who are experiencing problems with it.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2020/12/long-covid-patients-to-get-help-at-more-than-60-clinics/

This just further highlights the complications that can result from having it.

 

[PeteJ]

I can easily debunk this COVID-19 alarmist nonsense.

There's a lot of doctors insisting the alarmist response is uncalled for and other sheep doctors are being caught in lies and contradictions.

The problem is the censorship and use of labeling questions and comments that challenge the official narrative as "disinformation" and "conspiracy theories " (which is often reason enough for online websites to censor or remove those comments).

Just recently, a Physician in Toronto, Canada, tweeted that lockdowns don't help and hurt society. He also stated that his ER has not been overly burdened or overrun contrary to alleged assertions and alarms of them being overrun and beyond capacity.

These are examples of the lies the media and other public health/politicians are spreading to the public. That's the *REAL* disinformation.

I am probably ignored now but I don't think Ed is lying. He/you truly believe in the narrative and it is hopeless to challenge you to think otherwise. I apologize for being combative or whatever you want to call it. I just want people to consider his posts and what others are saying plus the attempts to censor, disregard and ignore the other claims. Have a nice day and consider these reports in the UK, please:

'We've closed all of Cornwall down for three people in hospital': Healthcare assistant who publicly resigned claiming she had 'no work to do for three weeks' at peak of the pandemic says claim the NHS is overrun is 'all lies'

'We've closed all of Cornwall down for three people in hospital': Healthcare assistant who publicly resigned claiming she had 'no work to do for three weeks' at peak of the pandemic says claim the NHS is overrun is 'all lies'

NHS hospitals have four times more empty beds than normal

 

[Lane]

This just further highlights the complications that can result from having it.

@Ed209 -- Just to mention, it's highly likely some people can develop these very same complications from getting a COVID-19 vaccine. It's been the case with other vaccines (especially Gardasil, or HPV vaccine), so it would make sense that the possibility exists for this to happen from a COVID-19 vaccine as well.

 

[Ed209]

Friend of an online acquintance has this to say about the frontlines in urban California right now:

They have erected this to help:
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I don't remember that flu season is the normal time when hospitals in multiple places run out of capacity and people with potentially treatable problems die inside of ambulances while emergency triage tents are being constructed outside of metropolitan hospitals, so I am going with "novel, horrific event" and my plan is still "do whatever possible to not get COVID-19".

Stay safe everyone, especially those of y'all in more densely populated places.

It's a common combination in the US, "Tylenol-3". Specifically, it is sold this way to prevent abuse of the codeine: in order to take enough to get high you'd hurt your liver.

The problems are that addicts don't actually care about hurting their livers, and addicts are also very good at extracting nearly pure codeine from pills like this, and then from there it's relatively straightforward to make into morphine, and then heroin. The thing is -- anyone who is willing to go to that much effort to get heroin, will get it, one way or another.

Several states in the US allow sales of codeine over the counter with no prescription, provided it's mixed with another drug (usually Tylenol or a cough suppressant. I used to live in one of these states; it did not have any more of an opiate problem than anywhere else in the US, and it was nice the once a year that I got a real shitty sickness, to just be able to go get codeine without having to see a doctor.

These days, I am enough of a botanist to keep my own medicine cabinet pretty filled, aside from the prescribed benzos I get

People won't believe it's real until a relative of theirs dies from it, and then their reality will change. Once the ICUs max out, people are left in corridors.

 

[Ed209]

@Ed209 -- Just to mention, it's highly likely some people can develop these very same complications from getting a COVID-19 vaccine. It's been the case with other vaccines (especially Gardasil, or HPV vaccine), so it would make sense that the possibility exists for this to happen from a COVID-19 vaccine as well.

The COVID-19 vaccines haven't been out long enough to draw any conclusions. There have been some reported allergic reactions, but I haven't seen anything else yet. However, it's early days.

What we do know is that the coronavirus is potentially lethal and also possibly life-changing for those who catch it in later life. If I was an older man, I'd take it, as my assessment of risk would change considerably. Right now, I'd rather hold off until we see more data.

My parents are taking it and I'm glad as they have no life. They've been locked away for a year with hardly any interaction from others, and it's destroying my mom. She is missing her grandkids growing up, but the vaccine will give her more freedom. It's the right choice for them at their advanced age.

 

[PeteJ]

Nurse passes out after taking COVID-19 vaccine:

Nurse passes out on live TV after taking vaccine (raw)…

 

[Bill Bauer]

Nurse passes out after taking COVID-19 vaccine:

Nurse passes out on live TV after taking vaccine (raw)…

This vaccine is based on mRNA technology.

The story of mRNA: How a once-dismissed idea became a leading technology in the Covid vaccine race

Before 2020, no mRNA technology platform (drug or vaccine) has been authorized for use in humans.

In any case, I hope that the clowns who have been concerned about this year's flu get their vaccine -> like the lady in the 1990 movie Misery who wanted the protagonist to write a novel, got the burnt pages of that novel stuffed into her mouth by the author.

 

[Ed209]

Nurse passes out after taking COVID-19 vaccine:

Nurse passes out on live TV after taking vaccine (raw)…

She said she has a condition that causes her to pass out:

DRAMATIC footage shows a Tennessee nurse passing out while being interviewed on live television after taking the coronavirus vaccine.

Tiffany Dover later said she suffers from a condition that sometimes causes her to faint when she feels pain.

"It's common for me," she said.

Doctors at the hospital later said the incident was not a reaction to the ingredients of the vaccine.

Dr. Jesse Tucker, Medical Director of critical care medicine, said: "It is a reaction that can happen very frequently with any vaccine or shot.

I honestly wouldn't read much into this, but I can see people sensationalising it. A friend of mine passed out just like she did in this video when he came to visit me in hospital after my surgery.

 

[Bill Bauer]

People won't believe it's real

There are no people who don't "believe it's real". There are people who Know that it isn't Unusually deadly. This wouldn't be disproved if their loved one were to die from it.

She said she has a condition that causes her to pass out:

The fact that she volunteered to be part of a propaganda clip proves that she wasn't expecting her condition to cause her to pass out. Assuming she wasn't trying to sabotage the work of the propagandists when she volunteered to be filmed during and right after her vaccine shot, this seems to imply that she is lying when she talks about her "condition" now.

 

[PeteJ]

She said she has a condition that causes her to pass out:

DRAMATIC footage shows a Tennessee nurse passing out while being interviewed on live television after taking the coronavirus vaccine.

Tiffany Dover later said she suffers from a condition that sometimes causes her to faint when she feels pain.

"It's common for me," she said.

Doctors at the hospital later said the incident was not a reaction to the ingredients of the vaccine.

Dr. Jesse Tucker, Medical Director of critical care medicine, said: "It is a reaction that can happen very frequently with any vaccine or shot.

I honestly wouldn't read much into this, but I can see people sensationalising it. A friend of mine passed out just like she did in this video when he came to visit me in hospital after my surgery.

Yes, I read all that, too, but I agree with those who say she is a critical care nurse... one who passes out often... Hello?!?

No one sees anything wrong there? Why would they showcase her then and why do the doctors just watch her and do nothing? Too many questions and I disagree with you and your "this isn't much" response.

People are also criticizing the claim of "pain" of her excuse. Anyway, too many questions to ask.

 

[linearb]

People won't believe it's real until a relative of theirs dies from it, and then their reality will change. Once the ICUs max out, people are left in corridors.

It's pretty sad but our medical twitter here is full of accounts of people dying of COVID-19 whose last words are a denial that the disease exists.

Additionally, if you look on various far-conservative forums, you can find a lot of people making posts about "well, my uncle died of this, but, you know, he was 60 and also somewhat overweight". People make all these silly statements about "comorbid conditions", as if America in general didn't skew heavily towards having comorbid conditions strongly associated with negative COVID-19 outcomes.

So, not only is someone's relative dying insufficient to change their minds on this, in some cases, it doesn't even case the person dying to change their mind.

Simply amazing.

There's also this, which, IMO amounts to "deliberate and willful conspiracy to kill hundreds of thousands of people".

At the time this was being pushed hard, we already had sufficient data from Sweden and NZ to know that the Swedish approach sucked and NZ had the thing nailed down.

 

[FGG]

She said she has a condition that causes her to pass out:

DRAMATIC footage shows a Tennessee nurse passing out while being interviewed on live television after taking the coronavirus vaccine.

Tiffany Dover later said she suffers from a condition that sometimes causes her to faint when she feels pain.

"It's common for me," she said.

Doctors at the hospital later said the incident was not a reaction to the ingredients of the vaccine.

Dr. Jesse Tucker, Medical Director of critical care medicine, said: "It is a reaction that can happen very frequently with any vaccine or shot.

I honestly wouldn't read much into this, but I can see people sensationalising it. A friend of mine passed out just like she did in this video when he came to visit me in hospital after my surgery.

People have been known to pass out from blood draws, too (I had one client once pass out when I vaccinated their dog as well). If it's "common for her" she probably already knows she's in that category.

 

[Bill Bauer]

It's pretty sad but our medical twitter here is full of accounts of people dying of COVID-19 whose last words are a denial that the disease exists.

Blood libel.

This is not true, unfortunately. There are loads of people over here who believe the entire thing is a hoax, and that the virus does not exist.

If someone says that it is a hoax (e.g., the elites making a big deal out of an equivalent of a slightly worse than usual flu for the purposes of a power grab), it doesn't mean they think that this virus doesn't exist. People claiming that it doesn't exist might be trolls. People saying that their opponents who think it is a hoax don't think the virus is actually real, might be engaging in blood libel.

 

[Ed209]

There are no people who don't "believe it's real". There are people who Know that it isn't Unusually deadly. This wouldn't be disproved if their loved one were to die from it.

This is not true, unfortunately. There are loads of people over here who believe the entire thing is a hoax, and that the virus does not exist.

 

[Ed209]

The fact that she volunteered to be part of a propaganda clip proves that she wasn't expecting her condition to cause her to pass out. Assuming she wasn't trying to sabotage the work of the propagandists when she volunteered to be filmed during and right after her vaccine shot, this seems to imply that she is lying when she talks about her "condition" now.

I just don't think there's much to read into with that clip. She faints. It's really not that big of a deal.

 

[FGG]

@linearb

Not really relevant but you are a great writer...

 

[linearb]

People have been known to pass out from blood draws, too (I had one client once pass out when I vaccinated their dog as well). If it's "common for her" she probably already knows she's in that category.

I had a fucking borderline spiritual/psychedellic experience once from being given a shot of Toradol, which is just a NSAID. I was working an IT job in college and messed up my back lifting PCs. I went to the on campus med clinic, and a large, very dark skinned (this is relevant) nurse administered the shot to try to reduce inflammation. I felt an incredible sense of pressure, and then I was falling in darkness. Then, I was in this weird black space where I didn't know if I was alive or dead, but there was a voice guiding me, saying, "it's okay...." and when I looked for it, through a field of blackness and stars, I saw the face of the nurse but it expanded and filled my whole awareness and I felt like I was in the presence of this maternal African goddess entity, saying "it's okay, you fell over, take it easy, can you hear me?" I went through a quick mental recalibration of understanding this voice as "god / spirit", then "mother entity", then realized "that is a nurse and I am in a college med clinic".

Nothing about this was pleasant, but I thought it was pretty interesting that an NSAID somehow evoked this. Edge-of-consciousness stuff is trippy. Based on that, someone might suspect that Toradol has hallucinogenic properties, which it absolutely doesn't.

And that's why one anecdote about someone getting a vaccine, is useless. At this point we're vaccinating thousands or possibly tens of thousands of people a day and that will scale to hundreds of thousands during 2021; some amount of adverse reports will occur. Some of them will be causation, most will be correlation.

I just don't think there's much to read into with that clip. She feints. It's really not that big of a deal.

"Person with stated history of fainting, faints after getting jabbed with a needle". TERRIFYING MAN, IT MUST BE THE BILL GATES MIND CONTROL

People on the wrong side of this issue are uniquely unhinged, unscientific and dangerous, compared even to stuff like 9/11 truthers. Generally I have opposed vaccine mandates on libertarian grounds, but given how fucking stupid 1/3 of my country appears to be on this issue, I look forward to airlines etc denying people service based on their lack of vaccination.

Once things are normal enough for me to resume my habit of giving away excess cannabis to strangers, my local posts will say "Free weed for those in need, but bring proof of COVID-19 Vaxx, indeed!" A little behavioral science I can do at home.

This is not true, unfortunately. There are loads of people over here who believe the entire thing is a hoax, and that the virus does not exist.

Er, the post you're replying to here, is, actually, someone claiming this is a hoax, if you read what it's really saying. Claiming to have special knowledge that this virus isn't "especially" dangerous is the same as saying the press around it is a hoax. Low information ideas.

 

[Ed209]

If someone says that it is a hoax (e.g., the elites making a big deal out of an equivalent of a slightly worse than usual flu for the purposes of a power grab), it doesn't mean they think that this virus doesn't exist. People claiming that it doesn't exist might be trolls. People saying that their opponents who think it is a hoax don't think the virus is actually real, might be engaging in blood libel.

There are people that literally don't believe it's real in any form. Some have made videos talking about how viruses don't exist in general. I posted some here. They are some of the stupidest people I've ever seen in my entire life. It makes my brain hurt just watching them and reading their posts.

 

[linearb]

@linearb

Not really relevant but you are a great writer...

thanks, but I think that usually what I need is an editor!!!!!
For work emails I usually spend 20 minutes writing 15 paragraphs, then 30 minutes chopping it down to 4 paragraphs. My forum posts... well... I am not so good at the whole brevity thing, as the Dude would say.

Honestly, Jeff Bridges in this movie sums up about 50% of my life. If you somehow made him into quasi-responsible parent and fulltime software engineer who lived on a mountain and never got to go bowling, you'd have me pretty well nailed down :-P

 

[FGG]

There are people that literally don't believe it's real in any form. Some have made videos talking about how viruses don't exist in general. I posted some here. They are some of the stupidest people I've ever seen in my entire life. It makes my brain hurt just watching them and reading their posts.

This was a thing with HIV / AIDS too.

It was a long time ago and I was a kid when I heard them but some early AIDS conspiracies I remember hearing from relatives:

-- HIV doesn't cause AIDS
-- HIV was engineered in a lab in Europe for population control
And a variation of that:
-- HIV was brought to Africa by French missionaries in vaccines (the missionaries were unaware pawns, apparently) to control the population in French Africa.

I guess it's good YouTube wasn't around in the late 80s.