I got the Ilauke light today...still not sure how I should use it. Anybody using it?
DIY Low-Level Laser Therapy for Tinnitus on a Budget — LLLT Under 100,-
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MemberCount me in. This means something like 1 or 2 months at least ?
My last trauma was a year ago. I'm afraid it's getting too late to start LLLT but I just can't decide to buy a super-expensive Lucky or Wilden Laser...
Coleoptere
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Awaiting @Cityjohn's Laser device I constructed a LED device. It is not fully finished yet. It operates four 5 Watt LED's. Two 808 Nm and two 620 Nm Led's. LED's are now - hastily - attached to levers which I use to aim at critical area's. I will elaborate on a headphone construction but that will cost another weekend.
The construction has a few options. For example: I can switch the 808's and 620 on/off independently.
In this picture they are both on (the 808's are hardly visible as this frequency as at the end of the human visible light spectrum)
All 4 LED´s are attached via the power drivers (4 little boxes) and the switches for the LED's (two white switches) to a grey little box you can see on the background. That box is attached to the electricity network and contain this electronic circuit:
It allows the LED's to pulsate. I can adjust the pulse-frequency and duration how long/instense the LED's will burn. I will use this device half an hour a day to start with.
The construction has a few options. For example: I can switch the 808's and 620 on/off independently.
In this picture they are both on (the 808's are hardly visible as this frequency as at the end of the human visible light spectrum)
All 4 LED´s are attached via the power drivers (4 little boxes) and the switches for the LED's (two white switches) to a grey little box you can see on the background. That box is attached to the electricity network and contain this electronic circuit:
It allows the LED's to pulsate. I can adjust the pulse-frequency and duration how long/instense the LED's will burn. I will use this device half an hour a day to start with.
bill 112
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Don't want to derail the thread or anything but my lucky laser should be here soon and I wouldn't mind making my own device in the meantime,mainly as something to kill the boredom.
I have most of what I need(my dad was gadget freak)so I might start on it tomorrow and see what I come up with.
Quick question,is there a timeframe or window of opportunity for LLLT's effectiveness?I can't find anything and I've seen people with H and T improve 8 years after onset with LLLT so I'm curious as to whether I should build one or not,I don't want to bother if there's no hope of it doing anything.
Cheers in advance
I have most of what I need(my dad was gadget freak)so I might start on it tomorrow and see what I come up with.
Quick question,is there a timeframe or window of opportunity for LLLT's effectiveness?I can't find anything and I've seen people with H and T improve 8 years after onset with LLLT so I'm curious as to whether I should build one or not,I don't want to bother if there's no hope of it doing anything.
Cheers in advance
Coleoptere
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Don't want to derail the thread or anything but my lucky laser should be here soon and I wouldn't mind making my own device in the meantime,mainly as something to kill the boredom.
I have most of what I need(my dad was gadget freak)so I might start on it tomorrow and see what I come up with.
Quick question,is there a timeframe or window of opportunity for LLLT's effectiveness?I can't find anything and I've seen people with H and T improve 8 years after onset with LLLT so I'm curious as to whether I should build one or not,I don't want to bother if there's no hope of it doing anything.
Cheers in advance
I read stories that hearing loss is harder to cure after more years after the onset. I do not remember that for H and T. But I do not value those stories much because the state of research for T and H as not at the level that there is a proven science where we can effectively steer on.
If you want to create one yourself: most if not all LED's and Laser diode are manufactured in China. So it takes up to two months before they arrive in case you use cheaper transport which not all suppliers support. So once you go into the swifter delivery it will cost you more.
Ie. the LED's I ordered cost 16E for 4 pieces (they were specially created on the wavelengths I wanted) but the transport cost 23 E..... Ok, but it arrived within a week.
So if you take the slower (China) mail I expect your Lucky Laser will already have arrived in the mean time.
I have no high expectations of this LED device. As mentioned in this threat it is not worth to discuss it as the components are that cheap that you can better put your energy in constructing something and making it as effective as possible using all the available science and help of the TT members. At least only by building it gives you some hope and it helped me a bit as it gave me a good feeling.
Coleoptere, do you have some improvement with your 100mW Led device?
Me I have stop using it because the LED and the electrical resistance heat the skin near to the LED.
And It makes an unpleasant feeling.
Me I have stop using it because the LED and the electrical resistance heat the skin near to the LED.
And It makes an unpleasant feeling.
My LED device did not help my tinnitus much but it did very predictably give me a migraine when I tried to parts of the anatomy around the head where the light would penetrate deeper into the nervous system. So at the very least I've proven to myself that light can affect the nervous system. I too Had to build these.
Excellent build!
I've quickly taken two pics of my current prototype. It has a lot of issues starting with a complete inability of one single person to set the lasers in the correct position based upon ones individual anatomy. A second issue is how the lasers shine directly into both your eyes if you take it off without closing them Needless to say I really need to make some laser guides. Luckily I already know how I want them to look and I just need to find parts. there is room for a Lot of improvement.
Needless to say I really need to make some laser guides. Luckily I already know how I want them to look and I just need to find parts. there is room for a Lot of improvement.
Coleoptere
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I used the 100 mw around 5 weeks. Before that irregular. They do not produce noticable heat so I wear them for hours watching TV or browsing the web, result:
T: No change
HL: No change, some placebo
H: small improvement
I had a feeling that my hearing got a little bit better but an online hearing test proved me that nothing actually changed.
Coleoptere
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@Cityjohn : It looks great! Safety with lasers is an issue. Specially as you have to keep a long period of treatment in mind. Good safety spectacles are required: one set covering all used frequencies (so you do not have to change spectacles when switching between the frequencies). Are you going to use optic fiber to guide the laser light? It might also help to unfocus the beam.
With LEDs getting the dose right is an issue. There is not as much documentation and experience with LLLT based on LED than on Laser. The other issue is the heath the powerfull LEDs produce. Although I attached heat sinks to them after 5 minute you have to short-break.
With LEDs getting the dose right is an issue. There is not as much documentation and experience with LLLT based on LED than on Laser. The other issue is the heath the powerfull LEDs produce. Although I attached heat sinks to them after 5 minute you have to short-break.
Coleoptere
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It is a search in itself. These should be able to cover those frequencies as confirmed by the vendor:
http://www.91laser.com/6001100nm-od-6-ce-laser-safety-glasses-p-299.html
OD is the log scale how much the light is attenuated in the spectacles range
VLT Indicates how much normal light will pass through these spectacles
Maybe there are better ones. I am no specialist of course!
http://www.91laser.com/6001100nm-od-6-ce-laser-safety-glasses-p-299.html
OD is the log scale how much the light is attenuated in the spectacles range
VLT Indicates how much normal light will pass through these spectacles
Maybe there are better ones. I am no specialist of course!
Oh yeah I had to water cool mine with a pump.
This should be fine; https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MQ4LJK8/ref=twister_B00IECYEDK?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 They fit over glasses.
@lolkas don't worry about eye protection you should be safe as long as you won't stare at the laser or LED for a long time.. You can use normal sunglasses just to attenuate some light.
It is very nice to see people trying to build budget LLLT devices
@Cityjohn I feel you, those focusing lenses on the laser pointers are very nasty. It's a struggle to focus them, but on a bright side they manage to focus the beam down to sub 100 μm range which is quite impressive.
It is very nice to see people trying to build budget LLLT devices
@Cityjohn I feel you, those focusing lenses on the laser pointers are very nasty. It's a struggle to focus them, but on a bright side they manage to focus the beam down to sub 100 μm range which is quite impressive.
MrBonk
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- Aug 17, 2016
- 120
- Tinnitus Since
- 05/2016
- Cause of Tinnitus
- ETD/Insane sinus congestion/TMJ/mold allergy/dog bark??????
So I bought that flashlight on Amazon. Can't hurt to try for 15 minutes (per ear?) two times a week.
It's funny, I didn't realize we had one. But at work in the Skin Care section, we sell LED devices for Acne hah. One is a full on mask. And the other is a flashlight like device I think. On the package it claims they use Red and Blue light, but not the wavelengths interesting.
It's funny, I didn't realize we had one. But at work in the Skin Care section, we sell LED devices for Acne hah. One is a full on mask. And the other is a flashlight like device I think. On the package it claims they use Red and Blue light, but not the wavelengths interesting.
MrBonk
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- Aug 17, 2016
- 120
- Tinnitus Since
- 05/2016
- Cause of Tinnitus
- ETD/Insane sinus congestion/TMJ/mold allergy/dog bark??????
Came in today. Took a few pictures. My phone camera, picks up the LEDS as a pink/purple-ish light. No white balancing or saturation shifting can get them close to how my eye's perceive the light. As what most IR sensor lights look like. A deep red'ish.
I held the flashlight against my palm for 15 minutes. Could definitely feel the heat and warmth as it happened and on the hand after wards.
I held the flashlight against my palm for 15 minutes. Could definitely feel the heat and warmth as it happened and on the hand after wards.
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On this website he speak about a 3W at 810 - 905 nm Laser but I think it is not laser.
A 3W laser can cut cardboard and burn skin immediatly.
The lamp that you have buy and Bobby B has advised is at the same power.
But on the website they didn't speak about the exposure time.
A 3W laser can cut cardboard and burn skin immediatly.
The lamp that you have buy and Bobby B has advised is at the same power.
But on the website they didn't speak about the exposure time.
- Nov 25, 2015
- 1,705
- Tinnitus Since
- 11/2015
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Large caliber rifles&machine guns, +30 years of loud clubs
how much does he charges per session ? Don't see prices in the site. He wrote 10 sessions.
And yes he uses an expensive laser at 3w but unfocused to provide a beam like a LED so in essence those cheaper lamps give the same power of light or even more and in the same unfocused fashion to not burn
Interestingly the lumomed device uses 810 and 904 nm and no red light
The lamps I bought are 850nm so that's very similar - they also have 904 nm led packaged in those flashlights
I don't know the cost and the during of a session.
I have just find this clinic on the web.
I have share this for say that the power and wavelength are similar with your lamp.
So yes it is interesting that the clinic use the same device that you.
I have just find this clinic on the web.
I have share this for say that the power and wavelength are similar with your lamp.
So yes it is interesting that the clinic use the same device that you.
- Nov 25, 2015
- 1,705
- Tinnitus Since
- 11/2015
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Large caliber rifles&machine guns, +30 years of loud clubs
It's not the same - it's a lot more expensive but yes the end results in terms of light is almost the same
LED have revolutionized a lot of things recently
LED have revolutionized a lot of things recently
Where did you read the wavelegnths used in the lumomed device? Is this the in office device?
MrBonk
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- Aug 17, 2016
- 120
- Tinnitus Since
- 05/2016
- Cause of Tinnitus
- ETD/Insane sinus congestion/TMJ/mold allergy/dog bark??????
What if I stick this on my ear, cray thought but just asking because I have one: http://www.lightstim.com/pain/
The light actually travels pretty far. I'm preparing to get pummeled for even thinking this.
The light actually travels pretty far. I'm preparing to get pummeled for even thinking this.
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