Learn from Others' Mistakes

[Tinker Bell]

He doesn't know them and their situations. His whole thread proves nothing ,except that he can copy n paste and just spread fear and paranoia. I don't see why the mods, let this garbage thread still exist....

Yes, that's clear. If he did then he'd realize the poster he selectively quoted and I referenced recently posted a positive story. Or that her posting history even includes a case of her tinnitus changing for really no reason at all.

When we are busy worrying about sound exposure, we sometimes overlook that tinnitus can change for any reason or no reason at all. Viruses, allergies, even ear wax can play a part.

You could live the rest of your life in a quiet house avoiding any noise above 60dB and still end up with worse tinnitus.

 

[Chris Holland]

That hasn't been the experience of the people I quoted in this thread. Note that by now around 6 people whom I quoted in the first post had posted here, and none of them said that I quoted them out of context or had misinterpreted their post.

Note that there are 400 million people with some form of T and yet you can quote only 6 anecdotally.

 

[Chris Holland]

which I'm sure didn't soundproof the continent for your arrival

LMAO

 

[Bill Bauer]

His whole thread proves nothing ,except that he can copy n paste and just spread fear and paranoia.

You keep saying that, and yet now the first post has the following ratings:

• Informative x 7
• 
  Like x 4
• Helpful x 2

I don't see why the mods, let this garbage thread still exist....

Most of the posts you had ever made on this forum can be replaced with the post below. Right?

If you don't Let tinnitus get you down, it won't Get you down. My tinnitus is loud, but I can do anything I want. I Live with Passion! It's not the number of breaths we take, but the number of moments that take our breath away. Live, laugh, love. Did you know that it takes more muscles to frown than it takes to smile?! My credo is that life is not about waiting for the storm to pass - it's about learning to dance in the rain! Do what I do - if life gives ME Lemons - I make LEMONADE.

If I were you, I wouldn't be talking about "garbage threads." I am just saying.

 

[Alvise]

H is common among new sufferers. So perhaps this means that people with recent T onset take these risks (because they don't know better) and end up regretting it.

Am I to consider "new"? Have it since 02/20/2017.
Dunno. I still find hard to go hear some noises, they are clearly able to hurt my ears.
But I'm learning to live with it. Maybe I am doing a mistake and I should do something to fix this problem.
I decided to just leave the time pass and concentrate myself on the family. Hope I made right choice.

 

[Tinker Bell]

Am I to consider "new"? Have it since 02/20/2017.
Dunno. I still find hard to go hear some noises, they are clearly able to hurt my ears.
But I'm learning to live with it. Maybe I am doing a mistake and I should do something to fix this problem.
I decided to just leave the time pass and concentrate myself on the family. Hope I made right choice.

I was told by multiple ear specialists — including one who closely followed and participated in research — that hyperacusis at the onset of tinnitus is typical and usually fades within six months to a year.

Obviously that is not the case for everyone, the doctors said that was only for typical cases. But for the purposes of our understanding of the role of hyperacusis with spikes, we should consider anyone who has had hyperacusis for longer than a year as not new to it.

Which is why it would be helpful if Bill would provide data rather than quotes alone.

 

[New Guy]

I was told by multiple ear specialists — including one who closely followed and participated in research — that hyperacusis at the onset of tinnitus is typical and usually fades within six months to a year.

I can't wait for that day to come!

 

[Jcb]

So many people in their feelings in this thread..... considering this is meant to be a support forum there is a lot of personal insults and subtle shade towards each other even from the "overly postive gang"

 

[Jcb]

 

[vermillion]

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Thumbs up for Latrice

 

[Jcb]

Thumbs up for Latrice

I second that my friend.

 

[cspc]

I dont understand how I got T in one ear but not the other. When both of them were exposed equally when listening IPOD and while being at the festival.

One ear was exposed to more noise that the other (maybe the speakers where to the side of the affected ear, car horns on that side, ambulance sirens, or even firecrackers). I started having T in one ear (right ear) and then got it on the other. Most of the time one ear at a time rings louder than the other due to the nostril breathing cycle. I hope you get better.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Which is why it would be helpful if Bill would provide data rather than quotes alone.

It is turning out to be a busy summer. So if anyone else wants to collect that data, they are very welcome to do that.

 

[Dem]

I was told by multiple ear specialists — including one who closely followed and participated in research — that hyperacusis at the onset of tinnitus is typical and usually fades within six months to a year.

But remember guys that it can take way longer- my first H vanished after 4-5 years(for T it was about 6 months) but i was wrong thinking that everything was ok with my hearing after that- even when you will be finally cured from T and H, and whole world will sound amazing just remember that your ears are damaged anyway and you can end up with way worse condition if you will expose yourself to loud but safe for most of normal people levels of noise.

And my first problems weren't caused by acoustic trauma- i don't think it matters what caused damage to your ears, damage done is done.

 

[Bill Bauer]

remember that your ears are damaged anyway and you can end up with way worse condition if you will expose yourself to loud but safe for most of normal people levels of noise.

May I ask you to please share what had happened to you?

 

[Bill Bauer]

First tinnitus faded to zero in about six months, then hyperacustics faded in next four years to the point that i was able to go clubbing, and concerts.

Were you wearing earplugs at the concert where you got your latest acoustic trauma? Have you experienced any fading since you have had that new trauma?

 

[Dem]

I see that you have found my previous post with explanation of my case.
Sadly i was on this concert without any protection.
After first three months my ears "stabilised", driving two hours stopped making my T spike, disacusis changed from "overdrive" sound to "high pitches are amplified 10x". Ears are still getting full after moderate noise exposition, and i fell presence of ETD, ears are cracking and felling like there is some glue in eustachian tubes. T level is same, but it's least bothering thing at this moment- just low, easy to mask white noise sound, i will probably stay at this level, im just afraid of making it worse.

Only improvement i see today is H on left side getting better- now i'm able to drive without plug in that ear and even with music on.
I'm not sure if case of it is that i was wearing plug in that ear as infrequently as possible, because ear canal was strongly irritated by plug or because that ear was somehow less damaged(T is mostly in right ear, just like in 2012).


Ouh, and i'm experiencing fleeting tinnitus less frequently than before.

 

[Bill Bauer]

You took precautions on the flight, and I'm sure you did as well in Europe, which I'm sure didn't soundproof the continent for your arrival. But god forbid some poor teenager attend a dance recital... He must be shamed right?

Is it the case that concerts/recitals are as loud as a street in a sleepy town or as the inside of a car?

 

[Tinker Bell]

Is it the case that concerts/recitals are as loud as a street in a sleepy town or as the inside of a car?

It depends on the concert, recital, town and car. I have been to several quiet recitals, and I have ridden in several very loud cars.

Have you ever been to a concert or dance recital?

Honestly, the symphony performance I saw a few months ago was quieter than my last flight.

 

[Tinker Bell]

It is turning out to be a busy summer. So if anyone else wants to collect that data, they are very welcome to do that.

Then what was the point of the quotes? I thought we were supposed to learn from them? Without knowing the individual circumstances, all we can do is make assumptions.

 

[Bill Bauer]

I don't have any memories talking about dance recitals. I remember advising people against attending concerts (even with earplugs). I think any orchestra has a lot of potential to play loud music.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Then what was the point of the quotes?

The quotes are as useful as reading the posts on this forum. What having those quotes did was to place a number of related posts conveniently into one place.

 

[Tinker Bell]

But remember guys that it can take way longer- my first H vanished after 4-5 years(for T it was about 6 months) but i was wrong thinking that everything was ok with my hearing after that- even when you will be finally cured from T and H, and whole world will sound amazing just remember that your ears are damaged anyway and you can end up with way worse condition if you will expose yourself to loud but safe for most of normal people levels of noise.

And my first problems weren't caused by acoustic trauma- i don't think it matters what caused damage to your ears, damage done is done.

Yes, that's why the doctors said typically. Your hyperacusis is not typical if you unfortunately still have it.

 

[Tinker Bell]

I don't have any memories talking about dance recitals. I remember advising people against attending concerts (even with earplugs). I think any orchestra has a lot of potential to play loud music.

There was a member who wanted to attend a dance recital. @AZeurotuner mentioned your interactions with the poster.

You also said concert/recital above. In my experience, there is a significant difference between concerts and recitals. Recitals can be dance or instruments, concerts can cover a wide range too.

You make a lot of assumptions about environments you have never been in. I recall your comments recommending a member not attend a wedding, yet you have never been to one. If you had, you would have a better idea of how they can vary. You used quotes on that thread, too. Only to have the quoted members chime in and say they were okay.

We should learn from others, but I prefer to learn directly from the source rather than second hand assumptions.

 

[Bill Bauer]

You also said concert/recital above

I was responding to AZ's post that mentioned "a recital."

 

[Tinker Bell]

I was responding to AZ's post that mentioned "a recital."

It was a dance recital.

 

[AZeurotuner]

I don't have any memories talking about dance recitals. I remember advising people against attending concerts (even with earplugs). I think any orchestra has a lot of potential to play loud music.

You would be better off if it were to not go down. It looks like you need a daily reminder that it is a good idea to try to actively reduce the risk you are being exposed to. Until you get that reminder, you will feel compelled to act recklessly increasing your chance of a Serious permanent spike. In any case, I hope that you will keep doing what you have been doing.

A quote from said thread where you wish the kid would have a permanent increase. For being a Marijuana "junkie" (remember when you called me that?), I have quite a good memory.

 

[Bill Bauer]

A quote from said thread where you wish the kid would have a permanent increase.

I stand by my comment. The context of all of those messages is that for many months he would mention taking risks and getting spikes as a result. Then he posted the following (he was the one who bolded some of the text below)

I have a dancing show tomorrow in my school. Our whole dancing show will last for 1 h and 15 minutes, and of course there will be music. I have never measured on the practice how loud the music is (at all practices I have used earplugs) but I would guess somewhere around 90 decibels.

Since I was/am convinced that being exposed to 90 dB for over an hour is a big risk for a T sufferer, I wanted to convey this to him in a way that would get his attention. I also Sincerely mean/meant it: "Risk-takers" WOULD be better off in the long run if they were to have a constant reminder that would help them to not be tempted to do dumb stuff. Without such a reminder, they might keep taking risks and then they might end up with a much Louder constant reminder.

 

[Ed209]

Since I was/am convinced that being exposed to 90 dB for over an hour is a big risk

90db, with plugs, is far from what I'd consider a big risk. It's about as risky as watching TV without plugs.

 

[Bill Bauer]

90db, with plugs, is far from what I'd consider a big risk. It's about as risky as watching TV without plugs.

So tomorrow is the show. And I don't want to use earplugs but I don't want to destroy my hearing either. So could you tell me am I able to go there without earplugs?