I agree with @JayBowson on this one.
They're trying to weed people out that are less likely to have a positive result because they want to produce the most favorable outcomes of the device overall. It has nothing to do with your personal safety or well-being.
Dude. I actually think you shouldn't do this treatment if this is the case. You can't be putting your eggs in one basket like this. There's always the chance that the treatment won't work, remember? Or you'll only respond mildly.
If they have a certain criteria they are using to "weed people out" then that is something that they certainly need to disclose. I'm sure they know about certain subtypes not responding to this treatment and it would be nice for them to inform the patient and research community.
Lurius, you are going to get asked mental health questions in your assessment interview and those alone will exclude you from the treatment beyond drugs. Only telling this so you are aware if they come up in your appointment.
To be fair, this is the appropriate way of handling research: exclude any parameters which give valid concerns as to whether a treatment could be influenced. I think it's fair to consider any type of drug a suspect in this case, especially since the technique is still new. If people in the dataset use drugs that they don't know about and that unknowingly have a tinnitus impact, then the data concerning the treatment itself could become corrupted. Once they get their configurations right for the "default" user, then they are in the position to start looking into handling outside parameters.
If they're still conducting "research" they shouldn't be charging for the device. This policy is 100% about impression management disguised as concern for the patient.
May I ask what kind of mental health questions they asked?
Depressed, Stressed, Anxious. I think they are more geared to see if other problems are causing your tinnitus. I was also told that it is possible that this treatment may not work and how that would affect me. They are very straightforward that this very well could not work for you.
I'm pretty sure @Drone Draper mentioned that he was on Mirtazapine and sometimes used a sleep medicine called Zopiclone. He was not rejected on this basis.
Bullshit.
Whatever medication you might be talking wouldn't be the reason they reject you in this situation, but what do you think the outcome will be if you say to them 'if you reject me, I'm going to kill myself'? By extension, what will you do if they accept you and then the treatment does nothing for you? Or makes your tinnitus worse? They're not going to accept you as a patient if they are aware of your current mindset. It's grossly unfair to try to load that level of responsibility on to them.
My guess - and it is only a guess - is that they would not be willing to accept you as a patient if you're on benzos. The only way to know for sure though would to be go for an assessment and speak to them face to face. I doubt they'd give you a decision one way or another based on an e-mail exchange.
Lol what?
I said nothing about the patients becoming suicidal. They are likely doing it because they want to present the device in the most favorable light. If they allow people to use the device that are less likely to see positive results they may be legitimately concerned that it will result in negative feedback from users on this forum as well as elsewhere.
Please provide an example of a user who has been rejected on grounds other than hearing loss (which Neuromod have clearly disclosed) to back this up?
Turning people away based on hearing loss would still be consistent with my original assertion. If the patient is in no physical danger by using the device they should be allowed to purchase it.
It's the same as any other prescribed medicine. Any doctor worth their salt won't prescribe a medicine they know isn't likely to help just at the whim of a patient, even if the side effects are minimal or benign.
I've been waiting for you to chime in with your brilliant words of wisdom. It's not a medication and there are no known risks associated with a non-desirable candidate using the device. As such they should be allowed to purchase the device with the understanding it may not achieve the desired results.
Honestly, I kind of appreciate the fact that they don't sell to people they don't think it will work for. If they did, it would be clear they are just after the money. It's, in my opinion, immoral to sell a €2000+ device to people you know your device simply cannot cater to.
Cool cool. I was waiting for you to declare yourself the winner of the Lenire discussion again, seems we're improving eh?
The point isn't if it's a pill or not. The point is that it's a medical device. A device that comes at a heavy time and monetary investment. It simply isn't nor should it ever be up to the layperson to self prescribe medical devices.
You lot are brilliant. On the one hand we have the skeptics coming down hot and heavy when anyone in the User experience thread mentions they've had temporary worsenings. Or even worsenings that have yet to improve.
Erm... I think you'll find that your original post was replying to the user talking about suicidal thoughts and benzos.
The post that I specifically responded to made no mention of suicidal ideation. I don't make a habit of reviewing every single post written by a particular member before responding.
Then it should require a prescription which it does not.
No hearing = no stimulation = no effect.
We're not talking about individuals with a complete loss of hearing. That's a straw man argument if ever there was one.
If you really need me to spell this out for you then:
From what they have said the tinnitus sound doesn't matter. So long as you can hear the sounds that the treatment plays.
As far as I know, the tinnitus frequency is not important due to the working mechanism of the treatment. It works on calming a specific kind of cells in your brain. These cells are called fusiform cells and are located in the dorsal cochlear nucleus. The first part of the brain where the nerves from the cochlear are processed. It is located in a part of the brain called Metencephalon. The Metencephalon is also a station of the Trigeminal nerve, a big nerve that innervates a lot of nerves from you face, also that of the tongue. The treatment wants to induce long therm depression in these fusiform cells by sending weak electronic impulses and sounds in a specific timing.
They are going to tell you "No". You are expected to make all follow up visits and on the device pickup appointment they train you how to use the device and have you use it for a short time.
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