Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod

[Mathew Gould]

@allan

To be honest, I was a little confused myself, for the same reasons. She did tell me that someone could be excluded if their tinnitus couldn't be masked at a safe level. But when I was being tested and I could still hear it a bit on the third go, she seemed happy enough to stop there. I'm totally speculating here, but I believe it's about hearing the sounds, not masking your tinnitus. If your tinnitus is so loud that you can't hear certain sounds they play, then maybe that nullifies the treatment. I could still hear everything, but could also hear my tinnitus over the white noise, to some degree throughout the testing. White noise is a bad sound for me to mask with, if I use high pitched beeping noises or bird chirps, I can mask it at just a very low volume. I might point that out to her next time I'm there.

Mine is complicated by the fact that going louder doesn't mask my tinnitus, to a certain extent keeping it quiet does. My tinnitus is loudest in noisy environments, it rockets up above everything. Yet, I can make it go very low in a quiet room.

So your tinnitus is reactive?

 

[Jack Straw]

"Quite a few were seeing progressing results but returned to baseline after the trial ended and wished they could have continued using it."

This suggests the results may not last, unfortunately. Not that I would mind having to repeat the treatment periodically, but it contradicts Neuromod's hype.

They did report it lasting for over a year with people. We don't know how many it did or didn't last for.

 

[RichardGuy]

"Quite a few were seeing progressing results but returned to baseline after the trial ended and wished they could have continued using it."

This suggests the results may not last, unfortunately. Not that I would mind having to repeat the treatment periodically, but it contradicts Neuromod's hype.

So I might have to use it every day for an hour a day for the rest of the foreseeable future? Damn, tinnitus it is I guess.

 

[Stefaniie]

"Quite a few were seeing progressing results but returned to baseline after the trial ended and wished they could have continued using it."

This suggests the results may not last, unfortunately. Not that I would mind having to repeat the treatment periodically, but it contradicts Neuromod's hype.

Maybe after seeing positive results these people were less careful about protecting their ears which caused their tinnitus to return to its normal level? Just a thought.

 

[Stefaniie]

If I remember correctly, the CEO of Neuromod said you have to have some hearing in order to use the device. I don't think he specified how much hearing. So even if your hearing loss is larger than mild, as long as you can hear the sounds from the device you should be good. That's what I'm getting from his answer at least.

 

[JayBowson]

They did report it lasting for over a year with people. We don't know how many it did or didn't last for.

If I recall Dr. Ross O'Neill mentioned in the interview that in the TENT-A1 trial there was an arm that was Asynchronous Low Frequency and the difference between that and the Sync/High Frequency was that the results didn't seem to persist as well with the former.

Could be that I guess?

 

[valeri]

Yes I was accepted... My hiss is pretty hard to mask...

Congratulations and good luck!

I guess it was a bit too overwhelming with first consultation to even remember but did you maybe ask about low frequency drone?

 

[EDDTEKK]

I wouldn't say I have the classic depression but I am highly desperate. Should I hide this from Neuromod?

In addition I take several medications for anxiety and sleep - I don't know if I could withdraw from them. So I assume I shouldn't mention that to Neuromod?

Is it an exclusion criteria?

 

[Paulmanlike]

I wouldn't say I have the classic depression but I am highly desperate. Should I hide this from Neuromod?

In addition I take several medications for anxiety and sleep - I don't know if I could withdraw from them. So I assume I shouldn't mention that to Neuromod?

Is it an exclusion criteria?

I think it's a question you should ask yourself; Am I prepared to put the effort, money and hope into it and accept the fact that it may possibly do nothing?

If the answer is no, I wouldn't get the treatment for your own sanity.

If you are prepared that it may not work and still have hope for the 'future of tinnitus treatments' and will be content you at least tried it then go for it.

Best of luck.

P.S. You probably know, but don't just withdraw from your meds at least without consulting your doctor. A side effect of quick withdrawal of ADs, benzos can be tinnitus!

 

[Annpann]

I wouldn't say I have the classic depression but I am highly desperate. Should I hide this from Neuromod?

In addition I take several medications for anxiety and sleep - I don't know if I could withdraw from them. So I assume I shouldn't mention that to Neuromod?

Is it an exclusion criteria?

I believe that if you are suicidal/overly desperate Neumorod would be concerned if the results of using the device were lower than expected you might harm yourself. Also for many when you first get tinnitus it is the hardest stage to deal with, I had anxiety and panic attacks which I no longer have. You also have a higher chance of the tinnitus going without intervention. This may be why you are excluded before your tinnitus has lasted 3 months.

 

[LongWait]

Would it be fair to say that by allowing lots of people to take the product from Dublin, before it's introduced elsewhere (no known success/failure rate in the public arena), is a quick way for Neuromod to achieve some financial return before the truth (effectiveness) hits the marketplace.

I can fully understand why they would want to do that.

 

[Sironketchup]

Hi guys. I'm following this thread all the time, can't wait to read about some results.

I've registered about 2 weeks ago and hope to get an appointment next year.

My tinnitus is very somatic (jaw), high pitched in my head. I had no acoustic trauma, might be from stress. Can't find any big hearing loss.

I hope my case works well for Lenire or for Shore's device (better if your tinnitus is very somatic?)

In the meantime I will live off illness benefits as I lost my job because of tinnitus.

I hope this hell is going to end soon for most of us.

Anyway, keep us updated, fingers crossed!

 

[Ruse]

Would it be fair to say that by allowing lots of people to take the product from Dublin, before it's introduced elsewhere (no known success/failure rate in the public arena), is a quick way for Neuromod to achieve some financial return before the truth (effectiveness) hits the marketplace.

I can fully understand why they would want to do that.

Not really no, you're talking about a few hundred devices max. This is a drop in the ocean and if they were wanting to do that they would have charged much more.

I think it's much more likely that they want to iron out the process and finish collecting data from TENT-A2 before rolling this out worldwide.

 

[Cojackb]

Considering there is a similar treatment based in London that starts at £4,500 and should be worn for 4-6 hours a day - I'd say Lenire / Neuromod have priced this at an EXTREMELY competitive rate.

I guess it comes down to what kind of price a clinic wants to put on their time as opposed to the actual product itself.

https://www.thetinnitusclinic.co.uk/tinnitus-treatment/

 

[Cojackb]

I wouldn't say I have the classic depression but I am highly desperate. Should I hide this from Neuromod?

In addition I take several medications for anxiety and sleep - I don't know if I could withdraw from them. So I assume I shouldn't mention that to Neuromod?

Is it an exclusion criteria?

I suffer from anxiety and take a very mild anti-anxiety medication which was all disclosed at my assessment. I was still accepted for the treatment. However my anxiety existed years before my tinnitus got worse and the tinnitus existed before the anxiety started.

I don't know the background around your depression / anxiety etc (whether it was brought on by the tinnitus or was there prior) but I'd never recommend hiding things like this from consultants. Especially when it's regarding an expensive treatment.

 

[DaveFromChicago]

To Cojackb:

My sentiments exactly. Desyncra is still charging $5,612.40. As you know, I paid $5,629.00 for their 36 week "treatment" and it was utterly useless.

What is Lenire? About $2,200.00 - $2,400.00? So we have a far more potentially effective device for 40 - 45% of Desyncra's cost.

 

[Chinmoku]

Considering there is a similar treatment based in London that starts at £4,500 and should be worn for 4-6 hours a day - I'd say Lenire / Neuromod have priced this at an EXTREMELY competitive rate.

I guess it comes down to what kind of price a clinic wants to put on their time as opposed to the actual product itself.

https://www.thetinnitusclinic.co.uk/tinnitus-treatment/

Besides being more expensive, it's not nearly as promising as Neuromod's Lenire. If the Tinnitus Clinic does not get Lenire they may be in trouble.

 

[Chriscom]

Curiosity, in many cases her desperate curiosity, is natural. So is not wanting to re-live every second of that first day/week etc. until any individual is mentally situated to do so. Let's all be gentle with each other.

 

[LongWait]

If they are taking 6 or 7 people a day at Dublin for up to a year before introducing other clinics, that's a fair bit of investment back while feedback is releasing on the product's effectiveness.

I can't wait to see results for people with moderate or worse tinnitus, plus mild/moderate hearing loss.

 

[GlennS]

Let's be realistic. There's a very fixed limit to how much money they can make from just one clinic no matter how hard they try to push people in and out. The money to be made is when this is being offered through hundreds of clinics throughout the world. So they have every motivation in the world to expand availability.

 

[Ruse]

If they are taking 6 or 7 people a day at Dublin for up to a year before introducing other clinics, that's a fair bit of investment back while feedback is releasing on the product's effectiveness.

I can't wait to see results for people with moderate or worse tinnitus, plus mild/moderate hearing loss.

Highly unlikely we won't be seeing more clinics until summer 2020.

Plus you're forgetting that if there's 4 appointments required then only 1 in 4 per day on average will be a first appointment / sale.

This is a company that has had tens of millions of investment and I still stick by my point that if they were looking to "achieve some financial return before the truth hits the marketplace" this wouldn't be the way to do it.

 

[Agrajag364]

"Quite a few were seeing progressing results but returned to baseline after the trial ended and wished they could have continued using it."

This suggests the results may not last, unfortunately. Not that I would mind having to repeat the treatment periodically, but it contradicts Neuromod's hype.

I thought you didn't allow any negativity about Lenire on this thread.

 

[BigNick]

Jumping to conclusions again. Purely speculation. I guarantee people whose tinnitus is worse than mild have been accepted. Depression will not keep the device from working. If they only accepted people with "no depression and anxiety" they would accept very few people. There is already somebody here that was accepted and was unable to mask their tinnitus with the white noise. Give it a rest.

Yes. Some of the testimonials describe severe tinnitus and spikes.

 

[dayma]

Highly unlikely we won't be seeing more clinics until summer 2020.

Plus you're forgetting that if there's 4 appointments required then only 1 in 4 per day on average will be a first appointment / sale.

This is a company that has had tens of millions of investment and I still stick by my point that if they were looking to "achieve some financial return before the truth hits the marketplace" this wouldn't be the way to do it.

Figure in operational costs and that first sale goes down a ton also...

 

[Allan1967]

@Candy, if you feel like discussing it, were you accepted and did you mention any medication/mood problem in the assessment? It would be quite a relief knowing that people with intrusive tinnitus and mood disorders who may be on medication can still be accepted.

@Allan1967, similar question for you.

If any of you feels like talking about this, otherwise no pressure clearly.

Yes and yes. In fact I probably said I would defy anyone with severe constant tinnitus (and not the sort you only hear just before you sleep) to NOT be depressed/down hearted.

 

[Autumnly]

As expected they can't say anything yet regarding the launch of Lenire in Germany:

 

[Jack Straw]

 

[Ivkopivko]

As expected they can't say anything yet regarding the launch of Lenire in Germany:

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I got a little more detailed answer once I did an follow up with them explaining that it's better for me both time-wise and distance-wise to undergo the treatment in Germany, but they just don't care and they think that it's very "funny and appropriate" to fly 4 times back and forth, instead of giving at least something like "we estimate that it will be available in Germany in Q2/2020 at the earliest but cannot guarantee or promise anything!"

 

[Autumnly]

I got a little more detailed answer once I did an follow up with them explaining that it's better for me both time-wise and distance-wise to undergo the treatment in Germany, but they just don't care and they think that it's very "funny and appropriate" to fly 4 times back and forth, instead of giving at least something like "we estimate that it will be available in Germany in Q2/2020 at the earliest but cannot guarantee or promise anything!"

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At least they're in contact with several clinics in Germany, that gives me hope... Thank you for sharing their replies on here!

 

[ChrisBoyMonkey]

At least they're in contact with several clinics in Germany, that gives me hope... Thank you for sharing their replies on here!

If they are in late discussions and with multiple centers it is likely very soon. Not giving a timeline is likely protocol.