Marijuana / Cannabis and Tinnitus

#211
Brianna said:
I guess my question to this is ... what REM sleep? I seem to have so little of it already. Benzos are a non-issue ... seizure drugs being doled out to T patients ... not surprised. Money keeps how much I can actually smoke in check. I'll go from not sleeping well to not sleeping well. Yes, all create a spike in T but then it tones down and that's why I like the CBD-dominent more. I'll see what happens tonight or tomorrow w/no smoke. I'll report back with the result.

Thanks, linearb, for all your information.
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My personal feeling is that if weed is helping you sleep and you're not sleeping otherwise, the short-term gains probably outweigh the risks... at least, they would for me. I'd say that as long as you're pretty aware that pot does create dependence and that you'll have some amount of withdrawal-related bullshit to power through whenever you want to stop using it, then you've got all the information you need to make the best decisions you can for yourself. Having (personally) withdrawn from pot several times after very extended periods of frequent use, and having also withdrawn from benzos and various other psych meds, I'd say that for me, pot withdrawal is real and not something to totally shrug off, but it's also pretty much a walk in the park compared to any other drug I've had to get off.
 
#212
If I can use a PA who's initially afraid of prescribing benzos and klonopin (valium and ativan - whatever the last drug was that I hated) to me and realized I had no problem not taking and not taking them, then weed should be easy enough and it really is cost-prohibitive, so I've been through this before. I expect little sleep and I expect that to happen each night already.

Thanks :) !
 
#213
[QUonce"linearb, post: 103419, member: 5202"]Personally I find high THC strains hard to tolerate, I've been smoking for a long time, almost longer than I haven't at this point, but I can still get unreasonably anxious after high-THC stuff, and I also think it can stress the cardio system. One study I saw concluded that elderly people who smoke weed and go on to die of heart attacks, are significantly more likely to experience the attack within an hour of smoking, and that makes sense to me because I have clocked my heart at 180bpm from smoking high-THC weed (which is very near my absolute high-end bpm during extremely strenuous exertion).[/QUOTE]

I once ended up with tacyhardia from Jack Herer. Wasn't fun and docs weren't too impressed...

Low thc and high cbd is where it's at.
 
#214
linearb said:
You probably don't want CBD only. CBD is an antagonist; indica strains are CBD dominant but still have THC.

My experience with pure CBD products is that they don't do much.
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Indica gives more a mellow body feel while sativa get`s you on the philosophical train ...

few weeks ago I smoked some sativa ... I ended up in bed with church bells ringing in my head and all crazy sounds like metal pipes being slammed together - at one point it even seemed like I could control my T and start creating sounds of my own ... at that moment I had to conclude the weed was a bit too strong.
 
#215
nills said:
Indica gives more a mellow body feel while sativa get`s you on the philosophical train ...

few weeks ago I smoked some sativa ... I ended up in bed with church bells ringing in my head and all crazy sounds like metal pipes being slammed together - at one point it even seemed like I could control my T and start creating sounds of my own ... at that moment I had to conclude the weed was a bit too strong.
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Oh yeah, I think being aware of internal sounds, and being able to manipulate them consciously to some extent, was a part of the marijuana experience long before I had tinnitus. Synethesias of all kinds are a pretty normal part of what I think of as psychedellia, and pot clearly induces psychedelic effects in me. I'm not sure if that's true for everyone, though, and if not then I'd suspect that people who are more prone to certain kinds of sensory crossover, might also be more prone to certain kinds of tinnitus... And perhaps it's really one and the same thing.
 
#217
Street Spirit said:
Personally I find high THC strains hard to tolerate
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Agreed and it's the THC that's fine if you want to go on a head trip. It's not what I want. I have something heady that's cool and fun but I've smoked it once because it does nothing to quiesce T. In younger years, THC was fun.
I want fun, I want silence.
 
#218
Brianna said:
Agreed and it's the THC that's fine if you want to go on a head trip. It's not what I want. I have something heady that's cool and fun but I've smoked it once because it does nothing to quiesce T. In younger years, THC was fun.
I want fun, I want silence.
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Yea ...give me body buzz.. (or relaxation) I don't care to be high at all. I don't even drink. Being high to me is the same as having anxiety attack or trouble articulating my thoughts and that comes naturally as it is..I think if you suffer with mental issues, sativa is the wrong strain for you..at least past a certain age ;) Plus weed ain't what it used to be!
 
#219
linearb said:
Fwiw, if you can manipulate your t sounds with your mind when you're stoned, I think it's probable that you can learn to do the same thing to some limited degree sober. I've had some experiences with that...
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Yes, I too have had some sort of control whilst stoned & sober. I imagined my T as ball of sound inside my skull & I would squash them with my mind ( I assure you, I was sober at this point ^^) I had to hold my concentration though in order to keep the sounds in check. So although it's not exactly practical to a degree, it's still something...
 
#220
Kopesy said:
Yes, I too have had some sort of control whilst stoned & sober. I imagined my T as ball of sound inside my skull & I would squash them with my mind ( I assure you, I was sober at this point ^^) I had to hold my concentration though in order to keep the sounds in check. So although it's not exactly practical to a degree, it's still something...
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the weirdest experience I've had, which I've replicated a few times, is related to the sort of intermittent chirping sounds that I have as part of my T. One time I was laying in bed, motionless, and decided to start touching my index finger to my thumb in sync with the chirping. Every time I'd hear the chirp, I would touch my fingers.

After several minutes of this, I became aware of a feedback mechanism: initially, the chirps slightly preceded the finger touch sensation (because of the reaction time involved in hearing the sound and then making the movement). After a period of time, though, the touch seemed to be occuring more or less in perfect sync with the sound -- and then a few moments later, it seemed that the sounds were actually reacting to the touch sensation, and not the other way around!

I think that every time I have successfully replicated this, I have likewise been laying in darkness approaching sleep. I often have fairly bizarre experiences in that state; it may be that as consciousness starts to dissolve into sleep, there is more room for conscious interaction with processes which are generally subconscious in nature.

So, my tinnitus continues to be a pain in the ass a lot of the time, but I guess I wouldn't ever exactly call it boring...
 
#221
Street Spirit said:
Yea ...give me body buzz.. (or relaxation) I don't care to be high at all. I don't even drink. Being high to me is the same as having anxiety attack or trouble articulating my thoughts and that comes naturally as it is..I think if you suffer with mental issues, sativa is the wrong strain for you..at least past a certain age ;) Plus weed ain't what it used to be!
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Weed sure isn't what it used to be. I'm glad the high vs not-high can be controlled these days. I can smoke (never drive) and not get discombobulated.
 
#222
linearb said:
the weirdest experience I've had, which I've replicated a few times, is related to the sort of intermittent chirping sounds that I have as part of my T. One time I was laying in bed, motionless, and decided to start touching my index finger to my thumb in sync with the chirping. Every time I'd hear the chirp, I would touch my fingers.

After several minutes of this, I became aware of a feedback mechanism: initially, the chirps slightly preceded the finger touch sensation (because of the reaction time involved in hearing the sound and then making the movement). After a period of time, though, the touch seemed to be occuring more or less in perfect sync with the sound -- and then a few moments later, it seemed that the sounds were actually reacting to the touch sensation, and not the other way around!
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Interesting. It almost sounds like a combination of things:
1. Pavlov - condition and response. Example: Each time you heard a chirp, you'd touch your index finger to your thumb.
2. This changed your end result in time.

I do things using my head more typically (to think through things) but I think a body motion would help a lot to go with this. It may also be that doing this (you are focused on the sound and your reaction) desensitizes the chirping.

I sorta did this in the early days when I didn't recognize the T. Noise would occur, I'd flash to having a hearing test done and I'd raise a finger (to myself :) ) as though I were having a hearing test. This time, however, I'd have an end goal/result in mind.
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Also, I remember smoking and running out last year. The end result ... whether it was withdrawal or not ... I don't know. Without smoking I don't sleep. With smoking I can kind of conk out. Either way I looked at it, I was a dead bunny as I usually am... maybe a bit worse (and I remember the exhaustion). Thank goodness I rarely have things I really have to do.
 
#223
object16 said:
Dose adjustment: I am posting follow up, 3 months of cannabis edible. I have discovered the edible must be dosed properly, I use a scale that goes to 0.01 gram. My cannabis is in chocolate chips/margarine mixture and this dilutes it 10:1 so when I measure 3g that translates to 0.3g cannabis. My cannabis is approx 10% cannabinoid, so multiply by .1 now gives 0.03 or 30mg cannabinoid. my edible is 50:50 THC:CBN so now I know I am taking 15mg THC and 15mg CBN. within 1-2hr, this results in a strong sedative effect (you cannot resist falling asleep) and normally that will put me out for 10 hours of good sleep.
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Would you move down here for a week or so? lol ...
 
#224
My brother recently gave me and told me about a pure cbd pill .. He said it might help with some pain i experience with t and H does anyone on here take cbd pills and find them helpfull of effective??
 
#225
Geo said:
My brother recently gave me and told me about a pure cbd pill .. He said it might help with some pain i experience with t and H does anyone on here take cbd pills and find them helpfull of effective??
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What on earth is a cbs pill? Can you give the full spelling of the pill?
 
#226
Danny Boy said:
What on earth is a cds pill? Can you give the full spelling of the pill?
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CBD is the actual medical compound in marijuana not THC which gives you the high effects.. its used for pain and other healing properties even cancer patients use it.. my brother gave me some pills to try out if it helped out they are 10$ a pop..
 
#227
Geo said:
CBD is the actual medical compound in marijuana not THC which gives you the high effects.. its used for pain and other healing properties even cancer patients use it.. my brother gave me some pills to try out if it helped out they are 10$ a pop..
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Guess you can give it a go...But I don't think it will help with hyperacusis. If you truly want it gone, you would give what I recommended you a go. But never mind.
 
#230
linearb said:
well, give it a whirl, I guess -- my experience is that cannabis products of any kind ramp my ring volume up. When I was having more consistent sleep problems, it did help me sleep, but these days I generally sleep fine without it, so I don't touch it.
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would the cbd ramp it up? isnt that just the thc doing that?
 
#231
I am hoping to acquire this pill for my pain as well. I hear it works well. I also have H, pain and T.

Let us know @Geo if you decide to go for it. I would have already if my doc was more open to medicinal.. she told me she would refer me to a doc that gives pain patients cbd pills.
 
#232
Street Spirit said:
I am hoping to acquire this pill for my pain as well. I hear it works well. I also have H, pain and T.

Let us know @Geo if you decide to go for it. I would have already if my doc was more open to medicinal.. she told me she would refer me to a doc that gives pain patients cbd pills.
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really?? do you think itll really help for pain i know chronic pain sufferers smoke the ganja but idk about t pain..but i dont want this to spike my t more as much as it did and yesterday night again a slammed door spiked my shit up and i havent slept all night
 
#234
linearb said:
my experience was that CBD products (from USA legal zones) ramped me up. They probably have some tiny amount of other cannabinoids in them, though.

In any case, the effect is fairly short-lived.
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my bro a pro marijauna advocate lol says that straight cbd shouldnt spike anything only thc properties would
 
#237
Geo said:
yeah i know u are man.. thats why im trying to get more info int trying to tamp something that ramps by itself with every frkn sound
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I'm weird in this regard; my experience with reactivity has been that the more anxious and fixated I am on my T, the more it becomes reactive to day-to-day noises. When I sort of manage to just ignore it and go on with my life, it's still there, for sure, but I'm rarely aware of it changing in response to things I hear or noises around me. But, when I get stressed out (bad sleep, bad diet, start slacking on yoga/meditation, etc) -- then I start getting a lot more tone bursts, reactivity, etc. It's almost like the more time I spend thinking about my audio perception, the more energy my T has to work with.

Very odd.

Cannabis is unhelpful in this regard because it amps up all my sensory data.
 
#238
linearb said:
I'm weird in this regard; my experience with reactivity has been that the more anxious and fixated I am on my T, the more it becomes reactive to day-to-day noises. When I sort of manage to just ignore it and go on with my life, it's still there, for sure, but I'm rarely aware of it changing in response to things I hear or noises around me. But, when I get stressed out (bad sleep, bad diet, start slacking on yoga/meditation, etc) -- then I start getting a lot more tone bursts, reactivity, etc. It's almost like the more time I spend thinking about my audio perception, the more energy my T has to work with.

Very odd.

Cannabis is unhelpful in this regard because it amps up all my sensory data.
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This is not that odd. I am the same way and suspect most others are also.

I live in a Cannabis legal state, though I don't partake. Never heard anyone say MJ lowers their T, usually the opposite.
 
#239
it has to do with the dose, my tinnitus used to go up with cannabis, until i realized that a normal dose of THC is 10 mg. one ounce is 30 g. 30g = 30,000mg. if your cannabis is "weak" meaning 10%, one ounce will have 3,000 mg or 300 doses, which means one ounce should be enough for 10 months! also, take into account there is CBN which is a THC breakdown product, but it is very sedative. so if you convert THC to CBN (by gently heating in oven at 220-230F, make sure! you have a thermometer, or you will ruin it) and take 10mg thc and 10mg cbn, one ounce is good for 5 months.
most people take far far too much, and then wonder why the thc has created a tinnitus spike, that is the reason - take less.
i used to freak out when my tinnitus would spike due to cannabis, until i did the math (or arithmetic, it is not even math). if your cannabis is "strong" meaning medical grade, 20% thc, one ounce will supply enough thc and cbn to last you 10 months.
all of the above has to do with edibles. most people, like myself have sleep issues due to tinnitus, that is how i solved my sleep issue. - LOW dose cannabis edibles, do your cooking with a thermometer.
i am doing experiments on myself with CBD and indica strains, to see if i can prepare something even better.
 
#240
object16 said:
it has to do with the dose, my tinnitus used to go up with cannabis, until i realized that a normal dose of THC is 10 mg. one ounce is 30 g. 30g = 30,000mg. if your cannabis is "weak" meaning 10%, one ounce will have 3,000 mg or 300 doses, which means one ounce should be enough for 10 months! also, take into account there is CBN which is a THC breakdown product, but it is very sedative. so if you convert THC to CBN (by gently heating in oven at 220-230F, make sure! you have a thermometer, or you will ruin it) and take 10mg thc and 10mg cbn, one ounce is good for 5 months.
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Holy crap, no wonder I flunked pre-med lol.
 

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