MuteButton
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Member- Apr 15, 2017
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Not a great deal if I'm honest. There's Otonomy's OTO-313 that is in its early stages (will be years away at best) and that's even if it helps chronic cases.
The potassium channel drug XEN-1101 that's not even targeted for tinnitus but for epilepsy MIGHT help tinnitus in its early stages.
Any other KV3 channel drugs are still in preclinical trials.
And of course hair cell regeneration or synapse repair will be years away.
This literally is all we have unless a serendipitous discovery comes along.
I got an email back from Sven Vanneste, a Belgian professor who is a scientific advisor for Neuromod and he said that's the expected release date for Belgium.
Nothing official though.
You can check my earlier posts.
The device may be further refined or similar devices such as University of Michigan or University of Minnesota may become available as well, if that counts.
- Apr 15, 2017
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Good point @Manny. I forgot about those devices, I guess I was just tarring them off on the same brush as they all fall under bimodal neuromodulation.
And if this turns out to be an accepted treatment then I would much prefer this than getting needles in ear, taking tablets that alters brain chemistry or regenerating cells just to stop the ringing.
This condition needs a treatment and attention. Mine has gotten slightly worse over the years and I really don't know if I can handle it getting any worse again in the future / hopefully a proper treatment will come by then.
Maybe one of us can ring them tomorrow and update the forum and just give us an indication if we are looking at a summer release or earlier.
Drone Draper
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- Dec 31, 2017
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Not disputing what you've been told, but we need to be a bit careful when we're stating things as FACT.
This guy is involved w/ Neuromod and has given an indication of when he thinks it will be available, but I'll have a tenner with you that it isn't released to the Belgian market in September.
Weirdly, I'm not that unhappy because of the postponed release.
I have been actively optimistic ever since January 2018, when Dr. Shore released her study which has shown that neuromodulation works for tinnitus.
However if that thing actually gets here and doesn't work... That would shake me deeply.
I'd rather prolong the hopeful anticipation than face shattered hopes...
I have been actively optimistic ever since January 2018, when Dr. Shore released her study which has shown that neuromodulation works for tinnitus.
However if that thing actually gets here and doesn't work... That would shake me deeply.
I'd rather prolong the hopeful anticipation than face shattered hopes...
Trust me, if they would have ringing tomorrow, the device would be out yesterday.
Ah that sucks! First it was January, then Q1, and now summer, I don't think it's healthy to keep checking this forum day by day. I am going to stop.
- May 29, 2018
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If they have postponed the release to make the device more effective I wholeheartedly agree and think it's a good idea as hope even if it's false hope is better than failure and suicide as a by product of said failure.
If they are just faffing about with their thumbs up their asses thinking about marketing shite, fully aware that some of us are basically on death row and praying every second for relief, then they are just c****. Nuff said.
I've been researching if you need a trademark before going to market. You don't.
So until you hear from Neuromod this is all speculation in my humble opinion.
Here is an example; https://www.novagraaf.com/en/insights/do-you-need-register-trademarks-launching-brand
So until you hear from Neuromod this is all speculation in my humble opinion.
Here is an example; https://www.novagraaf.com/en/insights/do-you-need-register-trademarks-launching-brand
Law student here. You can absolutely sell your IP without a trademark. Trademarks apply to the mark's distinctiveness (ie. for branding) and not to a competitor's ability to copy the product. As long as they have a patent, their IP is protected.
If they don't have a trademark, they can still use the "Lenire" name and logo, but that wouldn't be protected.
On the one hand, it's unlikely that another medical device would be released using that name and logo, but Neuromod might prefer to get its ducks in a row before it releases a novel product.
Here is their patent: https://register.epo.org/application?number=EP16798699
If they don't have a trademark, they can still use the "Lenire" name and logo, but that wouldn't be protected.
On the one hand, it's unlikely that another medical device would be released using that name and logo, but Neuromod might prefer to get its ducks in a row before it releases a novel product.
Here is their patent: https://register.epo.org/application?number=EP16798699
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Good stuff and thanks for bringing clarity. I have been researching this a lot today and learned way more than I wanted about trademark law. Haha.
Fabrikat
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To declare about two months prior that your release date is in January, then nothing happening, then not communicating a future release date to the public, suggests that things are very disorganised in the Neuromod offices.
Yet there's plenty of time to hang around conferences and market yourself within the industry. Not a good look really but I guess you can do as you please when you're the only game in town.
Things would be different I suspect, if Susan Shore's and the University of Minnesota's devices were about to hit the market also. Competition does amazing things with your attitude towards the public.
Yet there's plenty of time to hang around conferences and market yourself within the industry. Not a good look really but I guess you can do as you please when you're the only game in town.
Things would be different I suspect, if Susan Shore's and the University of Minnesota's devices were about to hit the market also. Competition does amazing things with your attitude towards the public.
- May 29, 2018
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Easier said than done. It's addictive surrounding yourself with reflective misery.
- Jun 6, 2013
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I have learned the hard way to limit my time on the internet support to one hour a day.
After about 7:00 pm I turn the computer and my cell phone off.
I needed to find a way to relax without all the buzzing distraction of the computer or phone.
Yes. In the first year I spent all my time on a support board making friends becoming close and helping each other. It was a way for me to connect with people because the outside world was not an option for me. I guess it helped me survive to a point but it also created a different life experience that to this day...is one that has affected my life.
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It's not going to work, for a lot of people. Whether you go by the percentages from the smaller Shore trial or the somewhat more optimistic numbers from Neuromod, neither of these devices is claiming to treat anything close to 100% of people. Some people respond. Others don't.
Neuromod DOES use their mailing list so if you're signed up for it, it's unlikely a major event will go by without them sending out an update.
The main problem I have coming here is there are a lot of people here who are closer to the edge of suicide than I am and it doesn't really help me to hear that sort of desperation.
The main problem I have coming here is there are a lot of people here who are closer to the edge of suicide than I am and it doesn't really help me to hear that sort of desperation.
Drone Draper
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I'm sure the product slipping back is not something done consciously - it's probably due to stretched resources and red tape. It doesn't make it any less terrible though 
Here's hoping nobody wants to copy the awful 'Lenire' name and they launch in March.
Here's hoping nobody wants to copy the awful 'Lenire' name and they launch in March.
- May 29, 2018
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My faith in these Irish clowns dwindles by the day. I have a sneaking suspicion that Shore's device when it finally arrives is going to be much more of the real deal and may deliver most tinnitus a knock out punch. Unfortunately it's going to be another 2 or probably 3 years. Lovely for all those people who get this in the future. Not so helpful for us poor bastards.
- May 17, 2017
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- Ototoxic earwax drops, worsened by MDs (Muppet Doctors)
I wonder if the name change to Lenire is because MuteButton is too much of an over promise. Or else there's already trademarked range of buttons made by mute artisans? 
Lenire means 'soothe' in Italian according to Google - seems appropriate.
Lenire means 'soothe' in Italian according to Google - seems appropriate.
- May 29, 2018
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Agreed. It sounds like a flaky admission of being fairly useless. Horribly like Levo.I wonder if the name change to Lenire is because MuteButton is too much of an over promise. Or else there's already trademarked range of buttons made by mute artisans?
Lenire means 'soothe' in Italian according to Google - seems appropriate.
As far as I'm concerned this thing is dead in the water. These guys are total jokers. Until someone calls their device 'absolute silence' and brags to all the world's media that they have cured every single type of tinnitus and starts handing it out to the world's worst sufferers to try and review, we're all still getting fucked by conmen. Neuromod will knock on your door in a couple of years and offer to tarmac your drive.
Happy screeching folks!
If "MuteButton" doesn't 'Mute,' can they be 'done' under the Trades Descriptions Act??I wonder if the name change to Lenire is because MuteButton is too much of an over promise. Or else there's already trademarked range of buttons made by mute artisans?
Lenire means 'soothe' in Italian according to Googs - seems appropriate.
It almost seems like they assume that however they treat us, we will be buying their toy anyway.
Anyway, I also keep losing faith. Somewhere somebody wrote that "as soon as this hits the market, there will be Chinese rip-offs coming out." Well, the more I think about this, the more I belief Neuromod *are* the Chinese rip-off. They seem only to be interested in making money off others' ideas.
In 2011, they marketed a device based on ACRN, which was an idea others developed and tested (and which eventually did not seem the magic bullet hoped for). Now they are banking on neuromodulation. This is an idea that is floating around in various areas of neuropathology. In particular, it is researched by Susan Shore. But Neuromod cannot be credited with the idea or research into its application. True, they ran a trial. But I think they only did that to be able to slide this thing into healthcare systems eventually.
In short: Neuromod is not into medical research, they are in the business of marketing existing ideas - and hope for the best, a bit like Chinese rip-offs.
If the device works, all is forgiven. But until then, I will frown upon them until my eyebrows cramp up.
If they were a rip-off, or a scam, or did not have faith in their device, would they have done a trial with 500 test subjects? They could've stopped at 300 and rush to market. Just, do a bit more than the competitor. But this is a substantive trial.
You bring up a good point, I think. However, I would argue that they do not need to convince competitors but health care systems and insurance companies. This might require larger trials.
Also, I don't necessarily think they don't have (good) faith in the device. Chinese rip-offs often work (sometimes even better)! I am just pointing out that I think, as a company, Neuromod has some traits I don't like.
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