My Trip to Bangkok: Stem Cell Treatment [Comments]

[Hopeful1]

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19056-death-revives-warnings-about-rogue-stem-cell-clinics/


Sorry to play devils adocate...
Is stem cell treatment in thailand risky...

 

[monacco]

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19056-death-revives-warnings-about-rogue-stem-cell-clinics/


Sorry to play devils adocate...
Is stem cell treatment in thailand risky...

Hi man you know that it's not the moment to publish this at all

 

[Hopeful1]

Sorry @monacco

I just want people to go for stem cell treatment but not before checking the clinics thoroughly. I want to do it myself once i gather enough money and i understand the risks and benefits.

 

[Bobby B]

yes the woman died but she had kidney disease to start with

@monacco if your T is unknown why do you think you have some ear damage ?

A lot of people have stress T, bad audiograms but perfect ears

 

[Mario martz]

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19056-death-revives-warnings-about-rogue-stem-cell-clinics/


Sorry to play devils adocate...
Is stem cell treatment in thailand risky...

but thats an article from 2010 if it was that risky... wouldnt they be closed by now?

 

[Beste]

That woman unfortunately already had immune disease...

Btw I'm already dead inside with severe tinnitus. I just can't be happy, can't concentrate on anything, can't function.. I'd go for it anyway..

 

[Leon909]

A lot of people have stress T, bad audiograms but perfect ears

Bobby, where do you get that from? If you have bad audiograms, how can you know if your ears are perfect?

 

[Leon909]

Is stem cell treatment in thailand risky...

I spoke with a doctor friend of mine about the idea of doing stem cell treatment for hearing loss, who is in oncology where they offer stem cell treatments for cancer patients. Her words were: I'm less concerned about the side-effects of stem cell treatments than I am about the side effects of taking retigabine. She said that the treatment is risk-free.

After that conversation I've done a lot of research on potential risks from stem cell treatments. Beside host-graft disease, which may cause some immune reactions to the new cells, there is a risk for cancer patients that the new stem cells turn into malignant cells, thus driving the cancer development. Radiation can also affect / change the stem cells in some way that may not only be beneficial, or even destroy them, making the treatment useless.

However, stem cells are a standard cancer treatment in Europe. Therefore I'd suppose there is a solid evidence base on the side effects.

The post you shared says "At the injection sites, the woman had developed strange lumps and lesions, which turned out to be mixtures of bone-marrow and blood-vessel tissue. Similar lumps had also developed in the liver and one adrenal gland. "

Thus it raises the question of how dangerous local stem cell injections are. IV-infused cells seem to be less of a problem.

 

[monacco]

yes the woman died but she had kidney disease to start with

@monacco if your T is unknown why do you think you have some ear damage ?

A lot of people have stress T, bad audiograms but perfect ears

I don't know what is the cause of my T but I know that there is damage some where in my inner ear hair cells or nerves , Stress or other
things damage exists, and with this therapy I would like to repair what is damaged

 

[Hopeful1]

I had another audiogram today(this is my 5th) for the first time the audiologist told me i have hearing loss of 20db at 6000hz..all others audiologist told i have normal hearing...thought this is on normal range for me this is a dip as all other frequenies are below 10 db loss.

6khz is are children and ladies voices
at and that is where i am uncomfortable and I believe this is the cause of my T.

So stem cells might be useful for me...i will start saving money

 

[Alue]

That woman unfortunately already had immune disease...

Btw I'm already dead inside with severe tinnitus. I just can't be happy, can't concentrate on anything, can't function.. I'd go for it anyway..

Didn't you say you cannot hear your tinnitus outside? Or did that change?

 

[Hopeful1]

Hair cells unlike other cells dont regenerate..so if hair cells are different from other cells in the body does stem cell treatments work for hair cells?

 

[Beste]

Didn't you say you cannot hear your tinnitus outside? Or did that change?

Today, unfortunately I could hear it a bit when I was outside. The most disturbing part about my Tinnitus is the sensation of bit rather than the sound. I can feel electricity inside of my head.

 

[GregCA]

bad audiograms but perfect ears

That sounds a bit contradictory, doesn't it?

 

[Bobby B]

That sounds a bit contradictory, doesn't it?

Not really - this is what my ENT told me, he sees a lot of patients with work stress related T, the T masks some of the frequencies so on the audiogram they cannot hear it well and it appears as hearing loss dip but once the stress is relieved and T is gone and ...surprise hearing goes back to normal as this was not an inner ear damage but a brain sound processing issue.

 

[GregCA]

Not really - this is what my ENT told me, he sees a lot of patients with work stress related T, the T masks some of the frequencies so on the audiogram they cannot hear it well and it appears as hearing loss dip but once the stress is relieved and T is gone and ...surprise hearing goes back to normal as this was not an inner ear damage but a brain sound processing issue.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing!

 

[Alue]

Today, unfortunately I could hear it a bit when I was outside. The most disturbing part about my Tinnitus is the sensation of bit rather than the sound. I can feel electricity inside of my head.

I see. Yes, mine feels like a pissed off nerve. It's hard to describe.

 

[Codaz]

Not really - this is what my ENT told me, he sees a lot of patients with work stress related T, the T masks some of the frequencies so on the audiogram they cannot hear it well and it appears as hearing loss dip but once the stress is relieved and T is gone and ...surprise hearing goes back to normal as this was not an inner ear damage but a brain sound processing issue.

Sure the audiogram is also a single point in time measurement and far from spot on as my T fluctuates. About the work related stress T that might be true, but just to sit it out is a way to short conclusion to send people home with. Have paid a lot of bucks for a private ENT that told me this. He overlooked TMJ and facial pain issues.
Do remember that T can have tons of reasons. Most of them are missed as ENT's think it's an ear issue. Talk to some people who never have been in loud noise and ask them why they have T.

 

[undecided]

I had another audiogram today(this is my 5th) for the first time the audiologist told me i have hearing loss of 20db at 6000hz..all others audiologist told i have normal hearing...thought this is on normal range for me this is a dip as all other frequenies are below 10 db loss.

6khz is are children and ladies voices
at and that is where i am uncomfortable and I believe this is the cause of my T.

So stem cells might be useful for me...i will start saving money

20db is not hearing loss, unless you are a teenager or someting. Most people over 25 will have a 10-20db dib somewhere on their audiogram.

 

[Hopeful1]

I guess there no loss as i am 37 but may be there hair cell damage as you need a damage of 30% in Outer hair cells befo3re your hearing loss is noticeble.

 

[undecided]

@Hopeful1 did your audiologist check your hearing up to the very high frequencies ( -->16KHz) or you got the routine 'up to 8KHz' test?

 

[Hopeful1]

Its NHS who do the standard 8 khz....i did ask for it and they said no......i am in the UK ...... is there anywhere i can get an extended hearing test in the UK?

By the way i dont here anything beyond 12.5khz(this i know by internet test)......audiologist said that is bcoz of age.

 

[Alue]

It's really unfortunate that most places only deem up to 8kHz necessary. My hearing damage and my tinnitus is all way above that, I could have gotten on prednisone within 48 hours had they not tested only to 8kHz and deemed I was okay. Same with sound regulations set forth by OSHA, it's all based on 8kHz audiograms and threshold shifts in those frequencies. It's like audiology is still stuck in the dark ages.

 

[AAM]

There is another Clinic in Bangkok that specifically treats hearing problems:
http://www.tonsonmedical.com/index.html
$14,000 for 10 days inclusive, but no flights.

Both Stemcells21 and Tonson Medical Group are recommended by RSCI.
http://www.repairstemcells.org/Home.aspx

 

[Beste]

Do you know if they are doing this thing yet? If yes, I will sell my house and move to one of my friend's house. I'm serious.

https://www.ata.org/news/news/new-s...ion-method-restores-damaged-auditory-pathways

 

[Vaba]

20db is not hearing loss, unless you are a teenager or someting. Most people over 25 will have a 10-20db dib somewhere on their audiogram.

Then why doesn't everyone over 25 have tinnitus?

I, like many people here, have got good hearing, I fall well within the range. Many, many people have far worse hearing/noise damage than me, and no tinnitus.

But man, I'm in hell. In fact, my "better hearing" ear has louder, low-pitched T than my worse ear.

 

[Hopeful1]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2686891/pdf/jcn-5-11.pdf

@Vaba

Please read discordant damage theory in page 35 in the above pdf link.

Basically my OHC is damaged with intact IHC...if i can damage my IHC in the same frequencies without further damanging ohc i will be cured...but i dont know how to do it...may by listening to noise at the same frequency untill both my ihc and ohc are completely damaged!!

 

[undecided]

Then why doesn't everyone over 25 have tinnitus?

Too many reasons to list actually, as many as the possible causes for tinnitus.
WE have tinnitus for a specific, possibly undetermined cause, which might not have anything to do with our hearing. Or we have large dips in the frequencies above 12K which our brain tries to compensate by inducing tinnitus while other people's brain is just wired in a different way and doesn't care about tinnitus at all.
Or maybe someone has anxiety which manifests as a tinnitus signal - another person's anxiety might cause a stomach ulcer or a back pain. It really is very 'individualized', if such a word exists.

 

[volsung37]

Sounds like the old ads for hair transplants. They left folks with clumps of hair like a barbie doll. No way I would let these guys anywhere near my cochlea lol

 

[grate_biff]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2686891/pdf/jcn-5-11.pdf

@Vaba

Please read discordant damage theory in page 35 in the above pdf link.

Basically my OHC is damaged with intact IHC...if i can damage my IHC in the same frequencies without further damanging ohc i will be cured...but i dont know how to do it...may by listening to noise at the same frequency untill both my ihc and ohc are completely damaged!!

That is very interesting indeed. And I think that this (theory) is absolutely spot on. Its the antagonism between IHC and OHC that is Tinnitus. It makes a lot of sense and would explain alot like hidden hearingloss f.i.
I think this is what the leading audiograph here in Norway has tried to tell me actually.