bill 112
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The only real way of knowing is,you guessed it going ahead with the treatment.Big gamble to take with literally nothing in its favour only anecdotal reports from suspicious profiles.
My Trip to Bangkok: Stem Cell Treatment [Comments]
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monacco
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@FERNANDO GIL@attheedgeofscience
I dont think they are suspicious profiles ,both had an improvement they are the two only here on this board .
it 's enough to be convinved
MemberFor me personally two people posting improvements is not enough. It is not that I don't believe this is genuine.I dont think they are suspicious profiles ,both had an improvement they are the two only here on this board .
I wonder if somebody has any idea how many people undergo a treatment like this? Worldwide, stem cell treatments to improve hearing problems.
Hundreds? Most likely thousands...?
But when I read this short article I like to think science is close: http://www.dddmag.com/articles/2014/08/small-molecules-stem-cells-can-improve-hearing
It is hard to believe the different stem cell clinics are trailblazers and (as an example) Decibel therapy is behind al these clinics.
Wishful thinking: Could it be that stem cell clinics are realizing it is time to mention and even promote hearing problem treatments before main stream medicine comes up with a treatment? Not very nice towards stem cell clinics, I know. Perhaps they deserve better
.Interesting statement in this article that is not relevant in this thread:
Quote: "Since electroacoustic hearing aids, at best, improve hearing by five decibels"
I am surprised that hearing devices are only able to improve five dB. That must be for the complete spectrum, but it still doesn't seem a lot.
Since my name and ATEOs came to the talking here is what we think.
Is just to much money to take it as granted. Me and ATEOS still think the best think is to make SC and complementary with LLLT. Actualy you have LLLt at the same time as doing the SC. Now you can have some options when doing SC, and maybe ones helps maybe not.
So it come s to this; you have money? Go for it, try maybe it can help your T and for sure will help all your body. If not then is just to big of a gambling.
SC is a rejuvenisnemt procces, no one can promise it will cure any precise type of desase, the cells just go truth your body, and "fix" what can be fixed.
Fernando
Is just to much money to take it as granted. Me and ATEOS still think the best think is to make SC and complementary with LLLT. Actualy you have LLLt at the same time as doing the SC. Now you can have some options when doing SC, and maybe ones helps maybe not.
So it come s to this; you have money? Go for it, try maybe it can help your T and for sure will help all your body. If not then is just to big of a gambling.
SC is a rejuvenisnemt procces, no one can promise it will cure any precise type of desase, the cells just go truth your body, and "fix" what can be fixed.
Fernando
- Nov 25, 2015
- 1,705
- Tinnitus Since
- 11/2015
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Large caliber rifles&machine guns, +30 years of loud clubs
I think people underestimate some of the wealth now in Asia especially China - a lot of very rich people are okay to throw 20k for a beauty or general rejuvenation process - which would be like us spending 200 dollars so clincs have no issues getting clients even at the price levels and somewhat untested results
20 K for adipose steam cell, cause if you go for Embryonic it can go up to 60 K, and trust me, they are full of clients.
bill 112
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Full of clients yes,but that begs the question,do these people have more money than sense?
very few or almost none for TIf we can just get these people to share experiences.
If you consider that they have clients, just to keep the air black, and look younger. the answer is YES.
monacco
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They pay 60k for a beauty 
others suffer beacause they can not pay for this therapy. strange this world
others suffer beacause they can not pay for this therapy. strange this world
bill 112
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So us paying this amount of money at this moment in time is basically pointless is what I'm hearing.It would be nice to hear some reports but there simply isn't any unfortunately which doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.....
Do you mean most hearing associated treatments are for hearing loss? Do you mean most treatments are for "rejuvenation" and serious ailments, not able to be treated by conventional medicine?
Most likely the latter I suppose.
I would go for the hyperacusis and hearing loss. Tinnitus is bothering me practically every minute of the day, but the distortion, hearing loss and hyperacusis are making my life hell. Most of all it sabotages the habituation.
Also I firmly believe if something in the inner ear is repaired/regenerated it will effect tinnitus in a positive way. To me this is logic.
I keep asking myself this one question: how many people worldwide undergo stem cell treatments with the notion it could do something for hearing problems? If it is only a handful, I imagine it would not get mentioned separately as a treatment on more than one stem cell clinics websites.
You right, if you do not have T or H, it would help your hearing, but is the last think you will notice. Just see what they say in there presentation. #At our medical center in Bangkok, Thailand: IntelliHealth+, we offer stem cell therapy to treat various medical conditions and/or for general health & anti-aging. The stem cell therapy we perform is proven safe and to hold therapeutic benefit.# So they promote them as well as anti-aging treatment and many people go there jus for that.
Concerning H, my advise is that you need LLLT, will much cheaper and faster.
all the best
Thanks.
I am in the process of ordering the Luckylaser.
I read that not all stem cell treatments are the same. First of all, now you get different injections close to the ears (and there is mention of stem cell injections inside the middle and even inner ears). I also understand it didn't used to be like that when you got your treatment. Let us assume this is changing all the time because of insight gained. (I.e. positive results).
monacco
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Recieved my invoice from 21stemcell
I have to pay half of the price 4 weeks befor the treatment.
I have to pay half of the price 4 weeks befor the treatment.
Recieved my invoice from 21stemcell
I have to pay half of the price 4 weeks befor the treatment.
Wow. Are you gonna really do that? I'm happy for you but I thought you had some relief from Trobalt. Are you off it now?
monacco
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Trobalt is a temporary relief I want something to fix my T for ever,I'ts almost one year since my T started ,I am not ready to spend all my youth living with this noise, sorry I have only one life to live, I gonna to take a big risk With 28000 USD.
- May 7, 2015
- 1,052
- Tinnitus Since
- 29.09/2014
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Acoustic trauma using headphones
@monacco
Best wishes for successful treatment! I hope you get a large amount of improvement. Will look forward to hearing your results, hopefully very positive, and as much detail as you are comfortable sharing.
monacco
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- May 7, 2015
- 1,052
- Tinnitus Since
- 29.09/2014
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Acoustic trauma using headphones
Its weird Monacco. I got Tinnitus, atleast the one who is tourturing me to death, on the exact same date as you. Only one year earlier. One never forgets that date, does one!Thank you guys
Just pray for me I will keep you update all
Can you tell us when you will leave for Bankok?
Not hearing related, but stem cell related: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/310739.php
Quote: Injecting modified, human, adult stem cells directly into the brains of chronic stroke patients proved not only safe but effective in restoring motor function, according to the findings of a small clinical trial led by Stanford University School of Medicine investigators.
End quote
No idea what the modification is, but to me as a layman it looks similar to stem cell therapy's for hearing related problems?
If this can work, why could a stem cell therapy for hearing problems not generate improvements?
This I also find interesting and positive.
Quote: The patients, all of whom had suffered their first and only stroke between six months and three years before receiving the injections,
End quote.
Quote: Injecting modified, human, adult stem cells directly into the brains of chronic stroke patients proved not only safe but effective in restoring motor function, according to the findings of a small clinical trial led by Stanford University School of Medicine investigators.
End quote
No idea what the modification is, but to me as a layman it looks similar to stem cell therapy's for hearing related problems?
If this can work, why could a stem cell therapy for hearing problems not generate improvements?
This I also find interesting and positive.
Quote: The patients, all of whom had suffered their first and only stroke between six months and three years before receiving the injections,
End quote.
best wishes @monacco! Does anyone have a theory if stem cells would affect the frequency/duration/severity of noise related spikes? One thing I've heard a lot is that since we have damaged ears already, sounds that normally wouldn't affect people cause us to have elevated T. Maybe, just maybe the combo of LLLT and stem cells could help repair/rejuvenate our cells enough that we can tolerate more noise.
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