Solsaem Clinic (Dr. Minbo Shim) Experience

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Drone Draper said:
Hmm. I do not know. I shall ask.
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There is something called the blood labyrinth barrier which separates the blood stream from the cochlear fluids endolymph and perilymph. To get the growth factors into the cochlea they need to enter the cochlea through the round window membrane which on the cochlea in the middle ear. Growth factors like Insulin Like Growth Factor-1 are secreted by alpha granules that come from blood platelets. This is why the injections need to be through the eardrum into the middle ear.
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#124
Jack Straw said:
It is very interesting to see how people are still very skeptical of Neuromod even after patient testimonials, forum testimonials & a Q&A, but after one report about a little known experimental procedure people are already jumping on board for triple the price.

I'm not saying it works or doesn't work, I'm just saying the difference in skepticism between the two treatments are almost polar opposite.

Very interesting...
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I don't know if you've read the original thread about Dr. Shim or not, but, there's a good amount of skepticism about this. People are actually posting some very nasty things about this man based on their own debased logic.
Plus, Neuromod doesn't purport to regenerate hair cells or restore hearing.

I'm about to have a meeting with an ENT that my friend/coworker knows and talk about potentially getting something like this going in America.
 
#125
IAmCalifornia said:
If Korea can do this
Then frequency can yes?
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Are you asking if Frequency Therapeutics can make PRP? I'm sure they can. It's not rocket science.

"Principles and Methods of Preparation of Platelet-Rich Plasma: A Review and Author's Perspective"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4338460/



"A Cost-Effective Method for Obtaining Standard Platelet-Rich Plasma"
https://www.woundsresearch.com/article/cost-effective-method-obtaining-standard-platelet-rich-plasma

I'm not advocating that you do this to yourself. I only recommend licensed ENTs trained in giving intratympanic injections.
 
#126
Will be interesting to see if Dr Shim attends the TRI conference, in May, since it's in Taipei.

I don't recall anyone being very nasty in the other thread? Asking for scientific evidence is not being nasty. His reply to Amit, however, could be construed that way.
 
#127
For what it's worth I had PRP in the US to repair a torn knee. It's not perfect but it is much better.
 
#129
JohnAdams said:
To get the growth factors into the cochlea they need to enter the cochlea through the round window membrane which on the cochlea in the middle ear. Growth factors like Insulin Like Growth Factor-1 are secreted by alpha granules that come from blood platelets. This is why the injections need to be through the eardrum into the middle ear.
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Hi John, What makes the platelets degranulate and release the growth factors so they can diffuse across the membrane? Have there been any in-vitro studies to look at diffusion? Those lab methods certainly exist. Thanks, TC
 
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#131
TuxedoCat said:
Hi John, What makes the platelets degranulate and release the growth factors so they can diffuse across the membrane? Have there been any in-vitro studies to look at diffusion? Those lab methods certainly exist. Thanks, TC
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I have limited understanding but I believe PRP recruits the growth factors already present in your body.
 
#134
JohnAdams said:
Yep. He showed me. He showed me my eardrums everyday, first thing.
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Just curious- did he explain any risks associated with the treatment and get your consent to proceed?

I was wondering if scarring and stiffening of the tympanic membrane could result from all the injections.

Also, thanks for the link to the degranulation article!
 
#135
TuxedoCat said:
Just curious- did he explain any risks associated with the treatment and get your consent to proceed?

I was wondering if scarring and stiffening of the tympanic membrane could result from all the injections.

Also, thanks for the link to the degranulation article!
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Yes he explained the risks, which were minimal, and I signed consent forms.

And I think PRP reduces scarring and heals up the eardrum just fine.
 
#136
If he had botched the procedure would you have had any recourse?

In the US we can make a complaint to the Medical Board and have it go thru peer review or if there is obvious neglect and damage a law suit for malpractice could be considered.

What happens when people travel for treatment?
 
#142
Jack Straw said:
@JohnAdams is this similar to what you did?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...na-white-find-a-cure-for-his-menieres-disease
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I don't think so.

"Orthokine differs from a similar procedure with platelet-rich plasma (PRP),[6] where platelets are targeted instead of the interleukin antagonist. Also, PRP does not require the blood to be heated as Orthokine does"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autologous_conditioned_serum

I had dozens of injections of PRP right into the ear drums.
 
#143
Eric N said:
I just had a quick chat with the Doc, he was quick to respond when I messaged him regarding the treatment.

He mentioned he has been doing this for 4 years which is surprising because I had to come to Tinnitus Talk to find out about him. I will paste the chat log you be the judge, honestly I am skeptical at this point, it is strange to see a doctor that could potentially win the Nobel prize looking for patients on Skype.

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Hello Dr Shim I see someone on Tinniuts Talk has tried your treatment I would like to know more information thank you

Minbo, 12:18 AM Hello! Basically we are using growth factors.

12:19 AM hello sorry my medical knowledge this is not good, is this like stem cells?I have had tinnitus for over 6 years it has gotten worse with time but I still have a normal audio gram

Minbo, 12:22 AM You could have hearing losses in superhigh frequencies .

12:23 AM I had up to 16k

Minbo, 12:24 AM Could you send a copy of your audigram?

12:24 AM sure

Minbo, 12:28 AM This is not normal findings.You may have tinnitus in left ear.

12:29 AM its more worse in the left ear yes but I also have it in the right ear

Minbo, 12:31 AM You have notches at 3000hz Left is worse, probably induced by noise

12:34 AM so how does the treatment work?

Minbo, 12:37 AM It improves the hearing.Then,the tinnitus will disappear.

12:40 AM does it improve the hearing but regrowing the ears cells?

Minbo, 12:44 AM Without regrowth of cells, any improvement of hearing can't be achieved. So when the hearing has improved, it means your hair cells are regenerated.

12:46 AM what is the success rate for the treatment?

Minbo, 12:49 AM It depends on patients hearing status.

12:49 AM what does it seem like from my case?

Minbo, 12:52 AM Good results are expected,but also consider your age and duration of illness

12:53 AM how long have you been performing this procedure?

Minbo, 12:58 AM 4 years, I am on vacation now.any qs,send me email with info.
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People need to give up on this guy already. I'm hoping for a cure as much as the next sufferer, but this Dr Minbo Scam isn't going to deliver it.
 
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John you still haven't gotten back with me, did this also resolve your hyperacusis/noise pain?
 
#145
Vincent R said:
People need to give up on this guy already. I'm hoping for a cure as much as the next sufferer, but this Dr Minbo Scam isn't going to deliver it.
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Someone went all the way to South Korea and had a really unpleasant experience just so he could have a normal life again. He spent thousands of dollars going there, and reported good results. He has more basis to say it's legitimate. Not only has he provided an abundant amount of scientific examples of how it works, but he went there himself.

I understand some of the skepticism, but being so quick to jump without analyzing is not productive.

This has given me hope. Apparently it has for plenty of people. Before this, I had really dark thoughts. I want to see this discussion through. So, please be nice. I have had a lot of Hell with tinnitus and hearing loss. I don't want to give up now.
 
#148
I know I'm new here, but I think the likelihood of John being a shill is unlikely.

The practitioner of this therapy being a bit obtuse is definitely the case
 
#150
Lol. Well, only John can speak to the quality of the results. But I think it would be an elaborate long game of two years on Dr. Shim - More like DR. SHAM! - to potentially get one more customer.
 
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