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[bobvann]

I run fire drills as part of my job... But my facility put in electronic chimes...

 

[FGG]

Oh okay, thanks for explaining. Sorry if it's self explanatory. My brain doesn't work anymore.

My left ear dips as low as in between 40 and 50. My right ear dips between 20 and 30.

Those are well within the ranges drugs like FX-322 are addressing.

 

[PeteJ]

Those are well within the ranges drugs like FX-322 are addressing.

That's good.

 

[ASilverLight]

My biggest issue are still the fact it changes so much + the fact that it's so audible over things, which I still find strange. It's not that loud in reality, and it doesn't get LOUDER around sound. It just doesn't drown out for some reason. I'm still having other weird symptoms and my cold hasn't eased up any bit since onset months ago.

I still don't get how one can get such horrible tinnitus with no (measurable/notable) hearing loss or acoustic trauma around onset, and not that much loud noise exposure. I also don't have hyperacusis, for which I'm grateful, but again... don't understand with the severity of my tinnitus.

 

[Contrast]

We are the problem.

Previous generations knew all doctors could do was stich up wounds and send them home. They learned to live with it. We the generation of entitled leftist are expecting a cure.

From an outsiders perspective we are delusional crazies on a tinnitus forum.

 

[MrCrybaby]

We are the problem.

Previous generations knew all doctors could do was stich up wounds and send them home. They learned to live with it. We the generation of entitled leftist are expecting a cure.

From an outsiders perspective we are delusional crazies on a tinnitus forum.

I disagree, I think that most people are so used to going to a doctor and getting a pill for their problems that they think it works that way for all health problems. Look at the opioid epidemic. The discourse was always "how nasty of these bad companies and bad doctors giving people these bad drugs" vs "how horrific that all these Americans are living with chronic incurable pain". I suspect uninformed activists thought there was a good pill they could take instead.

 

[Contrast]

Yes, seems there are some knowledgeable doctors on hyperacusis in Chicago.

Anytime a conference combines hyperacusis and misophonia that is a damning indication that it's Jastreboffian in nature. The Scientist who talk about hyperacusis don't bother tying it in with that.

But I don't think the TRT doctors understand this from the patient's perspective. I don't think the typical patient is being totally irrational by avoiding certain sounds.

They are just doing their job. That's where the money is going.

 

[Contrast]

Jastreboff actually could have been a pioneer, and one that I would respect dearly. All he had to do was have a "pass the baton" mindset about it. Instead, narcissism derailed him.

This is a reminder to TRT people. I know it's crazy, but you can be an advocate for TRT, biomedical research, transcranial direct current stimulation treatments, drug therapies, all at the same time! Just don't be an asshole.

How is a psychologist suppose to evolve into a biomedical researcher? Jastreboff's discipline is not suited to treat tinnitus. The best he could have done was continue sound therapy while realizing his limitation while other scientist did the work.

The man views himself as the all knowing tinnitus expert when he's not.

 

[Zugzug]

How is a psychologist suppose to evolve into a biomedical researcher? Jastreboff's discipline is not suited to treat tinnitus. The best he could have done was continue sound therapy while realizing his limitation while other scientist did the work.

The man views himself as the all knowing tinnitus expert when he's not.

First of all, your opinion doesn't matter, as you are a crazy on a forum. Mental illness is why you care about biology.

Secondly, I slightly disagree about Jastreboff. I think you underrate the importance of failures in science. I'm not a big fan of people on this forum being condescending towards researchers who are trying to help. Science is hard, and often requires hundreds, if not thousands of failures. Sometimes honest failures motivate successes down the road.

Jastreboff could have been activist, insisting that he devoted his life to studying neural plasticity and came up pretty empty. He could have emphasized that veterans (and others) desperately need help. There was a way for Jastreboff to be a positive, but he blew it.

 

[Contrast]

First of all, your opinion doesn't matter, as you are a crazy on a forum. Mental illness is why you care about biology.

Secondly, I slightly disagree about Jastreboff. I think you underrate the importance of failures in science. I'm not a big fan of people on this forum being condescending towards researchers who are trying to help. Science is hard, and often requires hundreds, if not thousands of failures. Sometimes honest failures motivate successes down the road.

Jastreboff could have been activist, insisting that he devoted his life to studying neural plasticity and came up pretty empty. He could have emphasized that veterans (and others) desperately need help. There was a way for Jastreboff to be a positive, but he blew it.

You don't realize my sense of humor. I insult myself and my way of thinking so I can learn from it.

 

[Backpacker]

you are a crazy on a forum. Mental illness is why you care about biology.

Relax, we're all crazy, it's not a competition.
Just to avoid any misunderstanding, I am not interested in reading about psychological issues "causing" or "contributing to" tinnitus or hyperacusis either, no matter who wrote the article.

Anytime a conference combines hyperacusis and misophonia that is a damning indication that it's Jastreboffian in nature.

Timothy Hain, Chicago dizziness and balance (the guy from the link you and xyz posted) is much more knowledgeable than an average neurotologist. Most of the information from the link is about the actual disorders and injuries of the inner ear (that might cause auditory/ vestibular disturbances/ pain etc) that not every neurotologist, let alone ENT, is familiar with. You don't read very often about a doctor who knows how to recognise SSCD, CFD, PLF and other inner ear disorders/ injuries. I am not recommending any tests (tympanometry, VEMP etc) but reading articles from people like him can be useful for people who happen to have one of these disorders because most doctors just know how to say "MRI didn't show anything so it means you're OK" and people just keep going around not knowing what they have and not avoiding harmful activities and movements.

 

[Bartoli]

How is a psychologist suppose to evolve into a biomedical researcher? Jastreboff's discipline is not suited to treat tinnitus. The best he could have done was continue sound therapy while realizing his limitation while other scientist did the work.

The man views himself as the all knowing tinnitus expert when he's not.

Jastreboff is a neurologist. He's the first person that has established a tinnitus treatment center.
For most neurologists, tinnitus wasn't on their radar. In a way, his views and commitment were ground-breaking.

He paved the way for future research and the analogy of tinnitus as phantom pain as opposed to the theory of "damaged hair cells in the cochlea that are stuck in the ON-position" that was an established theory at the time.

In my opinion, he hasn't done much updating since and seems reluctant to have his views challenged. There are some dogmatic principles that are flawed in my opinion (everyone can habituate, loudness doesn't matter,...)
but when people do habituate, it's because of the habituation of reaction and perception. In a way, he acknowledged a phenomenon that happens in most tinnitus sufferers. I believe most people benefitting from TRT would've gone on to habituate without it as well, which is what a recent study implied. He may have kickstarted tinnitus research from a brain perspective, and also impeded it in later years. We can't say where we would've been if we take Jastreboff out of the equation.

If tinnitus ever gets a good treatment or cure, I don't expect it to come from his direction. Name me one good song from the Rolling Stones from the last 3,5 decades. Same thing.

 

[Contrast]

He paved the way for future research and the analogy of tinnitus as phantom pain as opposed to the theory of "damaged hair cells in the cochlea that are stuck in the ON-position" that was an established theory at the time.

Give the devil his due.

 

[PeteJ]

I was told to go to a psychiatrist as well, but I really don't know how they could help me, because I'm not willing to take any medicine. In my mind, everything that I'm afraid of tinnitus-wise is very real and rational. The world seems like a minefield and I have to go through blindfolded. My dad tried to "reason with me" that he or anyone else in the world could develop severe tinnitus and therefore it's absolutely futile to worry beforehand, and I know that this is true, but the difference is that they may be able to imagine, but I know what it's like to have severe tinnitus and instead of being happy and optimistic that it's not that bad right now, I cannot not fear the future.

I have been depressed and anxious for a long time, visited 3 therapists for other problems and up until now nothing has helped me.

They can only help you if you wanted to apply for disability.

 

[Zugzug]

Relax, we're all crazy, it's not a competition.
Just to avoid any misunderstanding, I am not interested in reading about psychological issues "causing" or "contributing to" tinnitus or hyperacusis either, no matter who wrote the article.

haha, I was kidding, and feeding into Contrast's favorite joke, which is that people with severe chronic illness have invalid opinions because they are "crazy."

In actuality, I'm probably one of the craziest on the forum.

 

[PeteJ]

Most people who discuss (their) tinnitus are perfectly sane. That changes when they talk about politics.

(You can accept that as a joke if you want).

 

[Contrast]

What are you supposed to do if you can't work?

get a disability lawyer and vote democrat.

 

[FGG]

get a disability lawyer and vote democrat.

I believe he is Canadian.

 

[just1morething]

get a disability lawyer and vote democrat.

What's wrong with the Don........? I feel some backlash already. Do the democrats treat the disabled better?

 

[FGG]

What's wrong with the Don........? I feel some backlash already. Do the democrats treat the disabled better?

From what I understand, prior to Trump the requirements to get on disability were easier. You basically had to prove you couldn't do your former job.

Now you have to basically prove you can't do any job (so even people with severe tinnitus or hyperacusis could say get a job where they are by themselves in a controlled environment) so this is pretty much people with a full time caretaker or the mentally ill.

There are exceptions if you have children, though. But if you don't, you will be pretty much confined to poverty many times without healthcare.

And don't forget the ACA's pre-existing condition clause was a democratic endeavor as well.

 

[Contrast]

I find it offensive how they are so obsessed with treating depression and anxiety but not anything to do with biological damage elsewhere in the body.

They love to call anything outside of their discipline irrelevant. I'm sick of psychological resilience propaganda. The only reason I am disgruntled with psychology is because of it's arrogant history.

 

[Contrast]

mentally ill.

The mentally ill are denied because they do not have cognitive impairments but rather thought, emotional and sensory impairments.

 

[FGG]

The mentally ill are denied because they do not have cognitive impairments but rather thought, emotional and sensory impairments.

I guess I should clarify and say "so mentally ill that you would be a hazard to an employer."

 

[MrCrybaby]

I find it offensive how they are so obsessed with treating depression and anxiety but not anything to do with biological damage elsewhere in the body.

They love to call anything outside of their discipline irrelevant. I'm sick of psychological resilience propaganda. The only reason I am disgruntled with psychology is because of it's arrogant history.

Sleep breathing disorders (OSA, UARS, etc) constantly get misdiagnosed as anxiety and depression (and ADHD in children) leaving patients to suffer indefinitely, never getting the treatment they need. It's especially messed up when kids who can't sleep properly are put on amphetamines, what a dumpster fire.

Mental health visibility is great, but the medical community needs to realize that emotional distress can be a symptom of physical health problems.

 

[PeteJ]

I believe he is Canadian.

Correct. I guess he was happy during the Obama administration. It was so great then, that another Democrat was voted in... oh wait.

 

[Contrast]

Correct. I guess he was happy during the Obama administration. It was so great then, that another Democrat was voted in... oh wait.

to be fair the spike in biomedical sciences didn't spike until 2016.

Trump cut regulations that's why things are speeding up. Corporations don't take risk if they are heavily restrained.

 

[Contrast]

America is insane for not having a partial disability system like some European countries. It is true some state Governments have small benefits but not all of them.

 

[PeteJ]

America is insane for not having a partial disability system like some European countries. It is true some state Governments have small benefits but not all of them.

Wrong. I have discussed this issue here with people from Europe. It's not any better than the USA or Canada. For disability, you need a physical disability THAT CAN BE SEEN. Failing that, you need support from psychiatrists, most who cannot relate to your situation or don't have insight on tinnitus beyond the typical generalized explanation on hearing clinic sites.

The process is long and it's not supportive for tinnitus sufferers no matter where you live. There's no benefit for it even if you live in a country with subsidized healthcare and the Welfare state.

 

[Contrast]

Wrong. I have discussed this issue here with people from Europe. It's not any better than the USA or Canada. For disability, you need a physical disability THAT CAN BE SEEN. Failing that, you need support from psychiatrists, most who cannot relate to your situation or don't have insight on tinnitus beyond the typical generalized explanation on hearing clinic sites.

The process is long and it's not supportive for tinnitus sufferers no matter where you live. There's no benefit for it even if you live in a country with subsidized healthcare and the Welfare state.

In America you are either 100% enabled and forced to work full time regardless of health complications or 100% disabled and any form of work means ZERO benefits.

That is literally how SSI is set up. When state Governments give benefits it varies among each state. The most conservative states probably have no such thing.

 

[Contrast]

Wrong. I have discussed this issue here with people from Europe. It's not any better than the USA or Canada. For disability, you need a physical disability THAT CAN BE SEEN. Failing that, you need support from psychiatrists, most who cannot relate to your situation or don't have insight on tinnitus beyond the typical generalized explanation on hearing clinic sites.

The process is long and it's not supportive for tinnitus sufferers no matter where you live. There's no benefit for it even if you live in a country with subsidized healthcare and the Welfare state.

tinnitus can be seen on certain EEG's. Hyper activity in the audiotory brain/dorsal cochlear nucleus is visible.

No one test for that because no one takes science and empirical diagnosis seriously.