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[Juan]

the fluid dynamic model of otosclerosis

Could you post links to this, or articles, if you have them? Thanks a lot Greg!

 

[JohnAdams]

WIN!

Will this work for noise induced tinnitus and hyperacusis?

Mine is noise/NSAID induced so maybe.

 

[all to gain]

10mg

Is that of DHEA? All the brands on the link you posted are for 25-100mg. Is that way too much then?

What's you supplementation routine?

 

[GregCA]

Could you post links to this, or articles, if you have them? Thanks a lot Greg!

Here's one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4491943/

It's a different one from the article I had found a couple of years ago. I can't seem to find that one now.

 

[Allan1967]

I don't know what the hell is happening to me.

Last night my tinnitus and its reactivity were getting progressively worse. I took a Mirtazapine tablet but woke up at 1.30am. The tinnitus was like nothing I have experienced before both ears emitting high frequency at full power.

My tinnitus is changing by the day. I am terrified that what I experienced last night at 130 is coming back again as I took a Zopiclone to put me back up sleep and damp it. Now I'm waiting for the Zopiclone to wear off.

I have never experienced tinnitus of such severity and getting progressively worse in such a short period of time (2 weeks) like I am now.

 

[Bill Bauer]

I can't find any literature whatsoever about it helping with tinnitus

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0039128X17300570

 

[Star64]

Tell us more, John. What would be the mechanism of action? Would it work for all types of tinnitus?

I am not sure of its use in tinnitus but this information may be useful.

Your body naturally produces the hormone dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) in the adrenal gland. In turn, DHEA helps produce other hormones, including testosterone and estrogen. Natural DHEA levels peak in early adulthood and then slowly fall as you age.A synthetic version of DHEA is available for oral use, as a tablet, and a topical cream.Often touted as an anti-aging therapy, DHEA is also claimed to ward off chronic illness and improve physical performance.

Strangely enough when my tinnitus started to get uncontrollable after a ten year period of silence/habituation I was going through the throws of menopause, and my estrogen levels were low, I was placed on a natural estrogen to help with hormonal imbalance issues, and I noticed this helped my tinnitus go back to its baseline. Unfortunately for other reasons I could not stay on the estrogen and my tinnitus came back with vengeance. When I told an ENT surgeon about my tinnitus improving with estrogen he was not surprised as he said it acts on GABA receptors.

I have been warned not to take any supplement that acts on the GABA system, but that is understandable in my situation I have bloody down regulated the shit out of mine due to past Clonazepam use. The Ashton manual even advises against the drinking of chamomile tea as apparently that acts on GABA receptors. I was drinking this before bed to help with sleep before I read this

 

[Star64]

Just the recommended dose. I found out that it increases NGF and BDNF and acts on NMDA and GABA receptors so I was all over it.

Virtually all levels of mental and physical health are linked to good levels of BDNF in the brain. So pull out that treadmill, sip a turmeric latte, skip that second serve at dinner and get out into the sunshine. A consistent approach to some of the above tips, and you'll be remembering where your keys are in no time.

John I know you already know this and I am trying the curcumin with some benefit I believe so far, but here is a link from an Australian spinal research website that I got this information from if anybody is interested
https://spinalresearch.com.au/6-ways-increase-bdnf/

I am also doing intermittent water fasting now, alternative days, hopefully I can work up to a longer period with this.

 

[Star64]

Yes full catastrophe living is great, I bought the CD with the meditations. I do the body scan daily.
It's great that you have been using ACT with success. It is a great therapy that turns conventional psychotherapy on its head. For ACT you are probably familiar with "Get out of your mind and into your life" by Stephen Hayes, the founder. In Autralia you also have a great ACT psychologist and medical doctor, Russ Harris. I'm sure you are familiar with his work and probably met him.

I am very familiar with his work, I have never actually met him but I was meant to go one of his workshops and just never got around to it, my past employer was going to pay for it but it was at a time I was going on holiday. He has a few scheduled for early next year, hopefully I will be able to book into attending one of those, he has a website
https://www.actmindfully.com.au/about-act/

 

[Juan]

Here's one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4491943/

It's a different one from the article I had found a couple of years ago. I can't seem to find that one now.

Thank you Greg! I am going to read it and then comment

 

[JohnAdams]

Is that of DHEA? All the brands on the link you posted are for 25-100mg. Is that way too much then?

What's you supplementation routine?

I have no idea how much of this is too much.

Morning: ororate.
While making dinner: a couple shots of vodka.
Dinner: curcumin, DHEA.

 

[Chinmoku]

I am not sure of its use in tinnitus but this information may be useful.

Your body naturally produces the hormone dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) in the adrenal gland. In turn, DHEA helps produce other hormones, including testosterone and estrogen. Natural DHEA levels peak in early adulthood and then slowly fall as you age.A synthetic version of DHEA is available for oral use, as a tablet, and a topical cream.Often touted as an anti-aging therapy, DHEA is also claimed to ward off chronic illness and improve physical performance.

Strangely enough when my tinnitus started to get uncontrollable after a ten year period of silence/habituation I was going through the throws of menopause, and my estrogen levels were low, I was placed on a natural estrogen to help with hormonal imbalance issues, and I noticed this helped my tinnitus go back to its baseline. Unfortunately for other reasons I could not stay on the estrogen and my tinnitus came back with vengeance. When I told an ENT surgeon about my tinnitus improving with estrogen he was not surprised as he said it acts on GABA receptors.

I have been warned not to take any supplement that acts on the GABA system, but that is understandable in my situation I have bloody down regulated the shit out of mine due to past Clonazepam use. The Ashton manual even advises against the drinking of chamomile tea as apparently that acts on GABA receptors. I was drinking this before bed to help with sleep before I read this

Thanks, Star, this is very helpful. Re: Gaba, I had thought that when tapering a gaba drug one would have a glutamate surge and therefore gaba precursors and gaba modulators might have helped. Not direct gaba supplements, but supplements like L-theanine or Taurine? Similarly, it might be safer taking a Dhea precursor, pregnenolone, rather than Dhea directly.

 

[Bill Bauer]

it might be safer taking a Dhea precursor, pregnenolone, rather than Dhea directly.

Safer? What's the risk?

 

[fishbone]

I am not sure of its use in tinnitus but this information may be useful.

Your body naturally produces the hormone dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) in the adrenal gland. In turn, DHEA helps produce other hormones, including testosterone and estrogen. Natural DHEA levels peak in early adulthood and then slowly fall as you age.A synthetic version of DHEA is available for oral use, as a tablet, and a topical cream.Often touted as an anti-aging therapy, DHEA is also claimed to ward off chronic illness and improve physical performance.

Strangely enough when my tinnitus started to get uncontrollable after a ten year period of silence/habituation I was going through the throws of menopause, and my estrogen levels were low, I was placed on a natural estrogen to help with hormonal imbalance issues, and I noticed this helped my tinnitus go back to its baseline. Unfortunately for other reasons I could not stay on the estrogen and my tinnitus came back with vengeance. When I told an ENT surgeon about my tinnitus improving with estrogen he was not surprised as he said it acts on GABA receptors.

I have been warned not to take any supplement that acts on the GABA system, but that is understandable in my situation I have bloody down regulated the shit out of mine due to past Clonazepam use. The Ashton manual even advises against the drinking of chamomile tea as apparently that acts on GABA receptors. I was drinking this before bed to help with sleep before I read this

In general, if one gets addicted to benzos be careful of pills/supplements that are centered around the GABA. Also, do know that if a supplement, is taken for a long time, then it can lose it's effectiveness.

 

[Chinmoku]

Safer? What's the risk?

DaveFromChicago developed 3 cysts on the neck way back, see the other thread

 

[JohnAdams]

DaveFromChicago developed 3 cysts on the neck way back, see the other thread

What thread?

 

[ajc]

What thread?

You already commented in the thread, and I did too, so shouldn't you know or are you being a little slow tonight?

Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA)

DaveFromChicago said:

"I tried it, and all it did was produce five rock hard marble sized cysts in my throat / beard area that required extraction from a plastic surgeon."

 

[JohnAdams]

You already commented in the thread, and I did too, so shouldn't you know or are you being a little slow tonight?

Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA)

DaveFromChicago said:

lol, whoops.

 

[fishbone]

I want to say this: I am all for, finding something that can help us out. All of us are different, what may work for one person may not work for others. Do your research, before taking anything supplements.

 

[Chinmoku]

What thread?

The one on DHEA you started in the alternative treatment subforum. The cysts were 5, not 3, my bad.

 

[JohnAdams]

I want to say this: I am all for, finding something that can help us out. All of us are different, what may work for one person may not work for others. Do your research, before taking anything supplements.

totally agree, there are obviously many causes of tinnitus. thank you mammal ear, for being so friggen complicated.

 

[PeteJ]

A Coles Notes summary or explanation for any of this, please?

We produce melatonin in our bodies but many of us take it as a supplement.

I am desperate though and willing to try things. What good is it that our bodies produce this stuff if tinnitus can interfere with the benefits?

 

[Bill Bauer]

A Coles Notes summary or explanation for any of this

Are you talking about DHEA? If so, it seems to have the potential to help tinnitus sufferers, but as is true for all medicines, it could have side effects.

 

[Allan1967]

My tinnitus has gone catastrophic again after a quiet day yesterday.

I need some urgent help.

 

[Barry O'Connell]

Hello, it's been about 4 months since I developed tinnitus & the lack of sleep & almost constant anxiety is really starting to get to me. I have been taking Zopliclone to help me sleep, it knocks me out but I wake up in fear every morning about 5 o'clock & lie there thinking about suicide. I've been taking sertraline for the anxiety but it's not helping.

I live alone, don't work & have very few friends & with winter coming I really don't think I can do this much longer. My days are so long, I can't enjoy the thing is used to & feel hopeless. I cry every day, sometimes in public & I'm a 55 year old man.

 

[AfroSnowman]

Barry,

So many of us recognize how impossibly hard this is. I have a robust social support system and even so there are so many days when it seems too hard to bare. Apart from sending you a virtual hug and letting you know that you are not alone, but part of a community that is supporting each other through this let me throw you a few lifelines/suggestions.
1) See someone. You are in an acute traumatic emotional state, we know an ENT or doctor can't help with the tinnitus, but see a psychiatrist who can help with the emotional pain. Please. Suicide hotline # is 1-800-273-8255.

1a) I don't know much about the various drugs that help us get through it, but maybe Xanax or something else would be a greater help in getting you to weather the storm than what you are currently taking, see #1 to get on something else.

2) When it is too hard remember, you just have to make it through this moment, this minute, this hour, this day. Don't dwell on your loss or your future, just survive the moment and goto #1.

3) Have faith, for most everyone even if it doesn't get 'better' it gets more bearable. Have faith that it will get more bearable.

4) I have been told numerous times that for most people the symptoms to subside somewhat over time. Have faith.

5) Treatments are on the horizon, maybe are already here. Sign up for the Neuromod waiting list. At least stick around long enough to see if it will help.

Again brother my heart goes out to you. I know how hard this is, but please see someone. To do this in isolation, you are asking too much of yourself. Have faith.

Peace and love

 

[Bill Bauer]

Have you experienced any fading?

Have you tried limiting your exposure to the moderate noises like that of a vacuum cleaner or a hair dryer?

 

[Agrajag364]

Right, at only four months this thing still might get much quieter or even go away altogether.

I think being isolated and unemployed going to make anyone feel worse about this thing. Do you have other health conditions that stop you from working as well?

 

[Barry O'Connell]

Thank you both. I saw my doctor this morning & she's given me something that should help. I was in floods of tears when I saw her & she was very sympathetic. I'm in England so the trade names are probably different. I'm seeing a counselor in a few days with a view to CBT therapy so I'm starting to get things in place.
The noise changes all the time. Mostly it's fairly quiet until early evening but today it started early. There doesn't seem to be any pattern to it whatever I listen to. It's the random nature of it that's one of the harder things to deal with.
I've met a couple of people who've habituated to it so I know its possible.

 

[AfroSnowman]

Thank you both. I saw my doctor this morning & she's given me something that should help. I was in floods of tears when I saw her & she was very sympathetic. I'm in England so the trade names are probably different. I'm seeing a counselor in a few days with a view to CBT therapy so I'm starting to get things in place.
The noise changes all the time. Mostly it's fairly quiet until early evening but today it started early. There doesn't seem to be any pattern to it whatever I listen to. It's the random nature of it that's one of the harder things to deal with.
I've met a couple of people who've habituated to it so I know its possible.

Again I'm with you brother. Mine is generally very intrusive, fluctuating, and hard to bear a lot of the time. I'm glad you saw someone. Please be careful dealing with this while in isolation...SMH. It would be hard. Continue to reach out here and to your medical folk when you need to.

I, like you, am not terribly young and I've done some very very hard things and have had my fair share of challenges along the way, but this has tested my mind like nothing else has. There is no shame in reaching out for help when this is too much, because it is often too much.

Take care