Suicidal

[jasonbourne]

This is the saddest fucking most cruel disease ever. I have a tank of nitrogen hidden in my loft with the connector, regulator and a bag strong enough to hold cement. Any day within the next few months I'm going to a hotel and offing myself. Fuck this shit.

WHY CAN'T I GET EUTHANISED?. WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF THE GOVERNMENT FORCING YOU TO EITHER EXIST OF DIE ALONE?

Even having the option there would put me at peace.

 

[Chinmoku]

I heard of only one case of a blind NDE. I can't accept evidence at face value.

The AWARE studies on NDE's found only a small pool of patients that floated outside their bodies in a third person view but NONE OF THEM seen the letters/numbers placed above them. However they did find many people with ZERO brain activity reporting sights and sounds accurately from their body. The materialist can always argue the brain cells are still alive and the brain is just capable of functioning on extremely low power.

I haven't checked this thoroughly but I thought it interesting

https://www.near-death.com/science/evidence/people-born-blind-can-see-during-nde.html

 

[Contrast]

I haven't checked this thoroughly but I thought it interesting

https://www.near-death.com/science/evidence/people-born-blind-can-see-during-nde.html

Story's on that website seem like shit from a fairytale book that doesn't match anything we observe in our reality.

Also people don't come back to their bodies displaying knowledge on deep mathematical knowledge or TOE (theorys of everything)'s

 

[Chinmoku]

Classical physics makes free will impossible

Well it's not that simple. There is chaos theory for deterministic systems (see also Poincare). Compatiblists believe in free will and determinism together

 

[Chinmoku]

Story's on that website seem like shit from a fairytale book that doesn't match anything we observe in our reality.

Also people don't come back to their bodies displaying knowledge on deep mathematical knowledge or TOE (theorys of everything)'s

Seem like does not mean much really. These guys put a lot of work there. I agree the format is not good but there can be substance behind. I wouldn't hand wave it away a priori

 

[Contrast]

These are results from blind people.

 

[Chinmoku]

Also contrast look up advanced action as an interpretation of quantum mechanics (Huw Price)

 

[Contrast]

Well it's not that simple. There is chaos theory for deterministic systems (see also Poincare). Compatiblists believe in free will and determinism together

chaos theory is still 100% predestined and a hypothetical super computer representing every particle since the big bang could test it.

 

[Chinmoku]

chaos theory is still 100% predestined and a hypothetical super computer representing every particle since the big bang could test it.

Not possible in practice unless you can measure initial conditions with infinite precision

 

[Contrast]

Not possible in practice unless you can measure initial conditions with infinite precision

I don't believe chaos theory is compatible with conscious agency. In order for free will to exist you have to deny the existence of time. A pre-determined future in a billard ball universe is not compatible with conscious agency.

 

[Chinmoku]

I don't believe chaos theory is compatible with conscious agency. In order for free will to exist you have to deny the existence of time. A pre-determined future in a billard ball universe is not compatible with conscious agency.

Check out compatibilism , there are some interesting ideas there

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/compatibilism/

 

[ASilverLight]

I gotta admit, even though it's been such a short while for me (6 weeks, give or take a few days) I've been pretty low and suicidal since this started. You know what's the worst thing about this all though? I've been depressed and suicidal before, for years. My mental health has never been too great.

I was finally really starting to improve, or at least be more hopeful, and looking forward to 2020 and things I planned to do. Maybe I'll still get to if this T disappears, but I've felt so low and it feels so much worse knowing this started RIGHT after I finally started to feel better.

Life just doesn't stop.

 

[Contrast]

Check out compatibilism , there are some interesting ideas there

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/compatibilism/

Compatibism is an oxymoron unless one argues I already choose everything in a higher dimension outside of spacetime.

I'm trying to defend libertarinism without resorting to woo.

 

[Chinmoku]

Compatibism is an oxymoron unless one argues I already choose everything in a higher dimension outside of spacetime.

I'm trying to defend libertarinism without resorting to woo.

I'm not fully convinced of compatibilism myself but I wouldn't liquidate it thus. People like Sean Carroll (great cosmologist and physicist at Caltech) are compatiblists. You need a bit more of an argument . Of course you may not like it or feel it intuitively wrong, and that's fine

 

[Chinmoku]

At least I hope we distracted ourselves and the other poor people in this thread from suicidal thoughts for a few minutes

 

[Contrast]

I'll never be able to figure out if there is an afterlife, reincarnation or nothing. Conventional science denies the existence of free will and denies the existence of an afterlife. The only thing we can do is kill ourselves and find out (or never find out) the truth.

Once again I am assuming nothing happens after death

 

[brokensoul]

WHY CAN'T I GET EUTHANISED?

WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF THE GOVERNMENT FORCING YOU TO EITHER EXIST OF DIE ALONE?

Even having the option there would put me at peace.

My country has euthanasia laws. It's not easy though to be approved for the procedure. Your family needs to support your request as well iirc. It's not just up to you and you need to undergo an extensive evaluation by several doctors and psychiatrists.

The most difficult part is convincing them that you tried everything, all possible treatments, to no avail and that you're still in inhumane suffering. It's likely very difficult, if not close to impossible, to get approved for tinnitus. It's not even considered to be a disability in my country.

 

[jasonbourne]

I'll never be able to figure out if there is an afterlife, reincarnation or nothing. Conventional science denies the existence of free will and denies the existence of an afterlife. The only thing we can do is kill ourselves and find out (or never find out) the truth.

Once again I am assuming nothing happens after death

It's either nothing or eternal recurrence.

 

[Contrast]

It's either nothing or eternal recurrence.

How do you know this. If reality is nothing more but an eternal series of being in a state of perception then we would need more evidence. It could be in a universe where consciousness is fundamental but remaining skeptical is important.

 

[PeteJ]

I gotta admit, even though it's been such a short while for me (6 weeks, give or take a few days) I've been pretty low and suicidal since this started. You know what's the worst thing about this all though? I've been depressed and suicidal before, for years. My mental health has never been too great.

I was finally really starting to improve, or at least be more hopeful, and looking forward to 2020 and things I planned to do. Maybe I'll still get to if this T disappears, but I've felt so low and it feels so much worse knowing this started RIGHT after I finally started to feel better.

Life just doesn't stop.

But, even at the lowest point before tinnitus, it's still not as bad. I had conversations in real life with people who have depression and mental issues and I still think they are in better shape than myself and others here with severe tinnitus.

 

[PeteJ]

I'll never be able to figure out if there is an afterlife, reincarnation or nothing. Conventional science denies the existence of free will and denies the existence of an afterlife. The only thing we can do is kill ourselves and find out (or never find out) the truth.

Once again I am assuming nothing happens after death

Probably not but if it was certain that reincarnation existed, I would be more eager to off myself. I figure the odds of the next life being better is relatively high.

 

[PeteJ]

I think my suicide is inevitable and 100% am sure with conviction an attempt will be made at some point.

I was hoping I could suffer until I get disability and then I could leave a bit of money to my brother. I don't know if I can last that long though. I am scared of dying and failure in which I am subsequently crippled in some way. That is stopping me most of all but I am certain I will try a method eventually.

My tinnitus rarely fluctuates now and that is the last straw.

 

[Contrast]

Probably not but if it was certain that reincarnation existed, I would be more eager to off myself. I figure the odds of the next life being better is relatively high.

it doesn't matter if reincarnation is real or not. We just escape this life and whatever happens deal with it.

Non-existence is no big deal .

 

[Bill Bauer]

I think my suicide is inevitable and 100% am sure with conviction an attempt will be made at some point.

I was hoping I could suffer until I get disability and then I could leave a bit of money to my brother. I don't know if I can last that long though. I am scared of dying and failure in which I am subsequently crippled in some way. That is stopping me most of all but I am certain I will try a method eventually.

My tinnitus rarely fluctuates now and that is the last straw.

You don't want to try those possible new treatments that might become available several years from now?

 

[Rafalek73]

You don't want to try those possible new treatments that might become available several years from now?

If any, it won't be in a couple of years, but in a dozen years.

 

[Ben S]

If any, it won't be in a couple of years, but in a dozen years.

This is just false. So what you're saying is that you think FX-322,The Hough Pill, OTO-413, etc., are all going to fail?

 

[mrbrightside614]

This is just false. So what you're saying is that you think FX-322,The Hough Pill, OTO-413, etc., are all going to fail?

No, he's begrudgingly committing us all to a false timeline. Even with the most conservative estimates, Frequency has to be on the market by the end of the decade, barring complete failure in phase 2. Literally there can be no extension beyond this decade or it will have failed its investors and FDA filing deadlines.

I actually think it could be labeled as a Breakthrough Therapy if phase 2 reveals significant efficacy. I don't see why this drug could be considered anything less than that, with no available treatment like it on the market.

 

[Ben S]

No, he's begrudgingly committing us all to a false timeline. Even with the most conservative estimates, Frequency has to be on the market by the end of the decade, barring complete failure in phase 2. Literally there can be no extension beyond this decade or it will have failed its investors and FDA filing deadlines.

I actually think it could be labeled as a Breakthrough Therapy if phase 2 reveals significant efficacy. I don't see why this drug could be considered anything less than that, with no available treatment like it on the market.

5 years ago I might've believed that there was nothing coming, but nowadays there's alot of hope! Phase 1 has shown very impressive results, and there's no reason to believe that Phase 2 wont show efficacy, especially since it includes 4x the injections. Didn't I hear it could be on the market as early as 2021 if it receives fast-track status?

 

[mrbrightside614]

5 years ago I might've believed that there was nothing coming, but nowadays there's alot of hope! Phase 1 has shown very impressive results, and there's no reason to believe that Phase 2 wont show efficacy, especially since it includes 4x the injections. Didn't I hear it could be on the market as early as 2021 if it receives fast-track status?

It's already been fast-tracked. They could release it before going through phase 3 which could be as early as the end of the year, and from everything I gather they're pushing this drug to market as quickly as possible. Since they've already tried the FDA on fast track status I don't see why they wouldn't opt to be labeled as a "Breakthrough Therapy."

 

[ASilverLight]

But, even at the lowest point before tinnitus, it's still not as bad. I had conversations in real life with people who have depression and mental issues and I still think they are in better shape than myself and others here with severe tinnitus.

No offense, but I disagree. I don't know what severe tinnitus is, but I definitely know what severe depression is. My take is that no one, whether severely depressed with or without tinnitus, is off worse as we are ALL suffering. Also don't appreciate being told it wasn't as bad as it definitely was at the time. Last I'll say about this though, I understand you're suffering a lot.