- Dec 16, 2017
- 82
- Tinnitus Since
- 2010
- Cause of Tinnitus
- hearing loss from concerts, hunting, tools, and accident
@Bill Bauer speaks the truth... our ears are compromised, we can no longer withstand the abuse of loud noise.
Why do some people want to make belief that is not true and constantly argue with Bill?
PLEASE MAKE SENSE TO ME?
I guess his different approach threatens their beliefs which they been brainwashed into thinking by so called medical or audiological experts. Most actually don't know much and speculation is rife as are contradictions.@Bill Bauer speaks the truth... our ears are compromised, we can no longer withstand the abuse of loud noise.
Why do some people want to make belief that is not true and constantly argue with Bill?
PLEASE MAKE SENSE TO ME?
At least early on (first year or two).It's better to err on the side of caution
I think they had been brainwashed to think that you could "be yourself"(=do whatever you feel like doing) and still achieve all of your goals. I believe that you can't achieve much unless you are willing to sacrifice a lot to get what you want.I guess his different approach threatens their beliefs which they been brainwashed into thinking by so called medical or audiological experts.
@Bill Bauer speaks the truth... our ears are compromised, we can no longer withstand the abuse of loud noise.
Why do some people want to make belief that is not true and constantly argue with Bill?
PLEASE MAKE SENSE TO ME?
The middle ground is optimal for the majority of decisions that we have to make during our lives. However, some outcomes are So bad or so good that it is rational to go all in. When the risk of death or becoming a burn victim exceeds say 1%, I am sure that most people would not want to choose the middle ground when it comes to eliminating that risk. To me, T is a horrific outcome, and so I believe that we are to pull out all stops when it comes to doing something about our T (or when it comes to try to avoid T getting louder).As with most things in life there is a middle ground
The middle ground is optimal for the majority of decisions that we have to make during our lives. However, some outcomes are So bad or so good that it is rational to go all in. When the risk of death or becoming a burn victim exceeds say 1%, I am sure that most people would not want to choose the middle ground when it comes to eliminating that risk. To me, T is a horrific outcome, and so I believe that we are to pull out all stops when it comes to doing something about our T (or when it comes to try to avoid T getting louder).
Not all of us are extroverts.But what about the stress, anxiety, and depression of living the rest of your life afraid of sound, alone, sitting around your house wishing you had a life?
Not all of us are extroverts.
I am glad that your T is such that you wouldn't gladly do the above just for a 0.1% chance of it getting quieter.
Yes, sadly, if you are not willing to change your lifestyle, the above is most likely true.it's not just going to go away
The above is true if after a year your T is as loud as it was during the first 1-3 months.If you still have tinnitus after a year or so you need to accept that fact that it's here to stay, and make the steps necessary to reintegrate yourself with society.
The exact quote was that I feel sorry for people who need to do something (find a companion) to be happy, as opposed to people whose default state is being happy.I know you said before that you're perfectly happy living alone, and feel sorry for us bunch of fools that require human companionship
That would be "a significant other is as useful as a bathroom attendant" - both are a strange social construct - both take care of things that you could easily do yourself for yourself.as well saying a significant other is no better than a bathroom attendant.
I have strong emotions all of the time too. I agree - emotions are the cause of a lot of human suffering. It makes sense to try to not let our emotions control our lives.sorry for having emotions
That one really hurt!TinnitusBot5200, ready for social isolation and internet fear mongering!
There are two parts to it - it improving and it getting worse. If one starts believing that it won't get better, it makes sense to begin focusing on it not getting worse.Let me ask you this though; how long do you plan on waiting for you T to vanish?
I am sure the last thing one wants to be experiencing during one's last year on Earth or on one's death bed is a bad spike (that in that case will last until the end of one's life). So you bet I (or my lawyer) will be bribing the nurses to ensure that it is quiet in my room.90 years old and on your death bed, asking the nurse to be careful with the noise
That has been my policy too - avoid noise whenever you can + be prepared to deal with noise even when you don't expect it to be noisy. Are you under the impression that I have been advocating for something more drastic?I do not put myself in situations where I know it will be loud beforehand, and I carry ear plugs with me in case I find that I might need to use them.
There are two parts to it - it improving and it getting worse. If one starts believing that it won't get better, it makes sense to begin focusing on it not getting worse.
I am sure the last thing one wants to be experiencing during one's last year on Earth or on one's death bed is a bad spike (that in that case will last until the end of one's life). So you bet I (or my lawyer) will be bribing the nurses to ensure that it is quiet in my room.
It is my humble and personal opinion that there needs to be a balance between protecting your ears and living your life.
I do not put myself in situations where I know it will be loud beforehand, and I carry ear plugs with me in case I find that I might need to use them.
So maybe somewhere in the middle is the best idea. We've still got lives to lead.
I'd say most people's ears are compromised in some way even if they don't have tinnitus - who knows when that tipping point might be for them.
You may have noticed that I don't discuss my condition. If you read more carefully, you will see me saying things like "this policy HAS worked for me and for the others".You have deluded yourself past the point of anybody being able to talk any sense into you, and that's fine
I (and a number of other users who seem to share my views) are the positive people who are convinced that we Could hear silence again (and We Are seeing it work in our own lives, as well as in posts by others, see below). It is not a religious belief - it is something that we had discovered, it works for us, and we are happy to share our experiences with others. There are many posts by others who had discovered that this can really work. The latest is
I feel like iv made some progress with mine but only because I'm lucky enough to have stayed home since christmas and kept everything quiet. Before that i was living normally but it was having a very negative effect on the Tinnitus i think. Ive realised i already had some T before my incident and i put this down to iPod abuse and 10 years as an alarm engineer, messing around with 115db sirens and drilling masonary up ladders with no protection. (stupid). So like you i have proabably built up hearing loss and then thrown fuel all over the fire one night with live music. Iv not suffered H or hearing loss that i know of, just ear popping quite a lot and fullness the odd time in the beginning.
However since ive cut out all noise in my life and not really left the house much these past 2 months its helped massively, i sense my T is returning back to what it always was when i was blissfully unaware that it was anything other than the sound of silence. Its still there but its a much much softer tone now and much easier to live with/listen too.
There is no agenda. I am just sharing my own experiences regarding what had worked, as well as the experiences that I read about on this forum (positive experiences of people who take care of their ears, and negative horror stories of people who learn the hard way about the costs of being reckless).But the fact that spend so much time attempting to push your flawed agenda
Would you say that the music at a mall is harmless? If the answer is Yes, then would you like me to give you a link to what happened to Lex as a result of being exposed to music at a mall for 30 seconds? Does this mean that you need to update what you consider to be harmless?chastising other members for doing things as harmless as attending a dance recital (with earplugs mind you)
My interesting observation is that the "brave people" are the ones whose T doesn't fade.Interesting observation I've made; it seems like many of the members that follow the patented "Bill Burr method", are the same ones that are constantly upset, complaining that they feel lonely and isolated, and threatening suicide.
You are pushing a lifestyle that ensures that T stays, onto people who are yearning for it to fade.That's the life that you advocate Bill, of course it's entirely your prerogative to live that way, but pushing that lifestyle on desperate and vulnerable individuals isn't right.
The "Hall of Fame" plaque is not given on the basis of the sheer volume of posts, it is given on the basis of the number of positive ratings (e.g., the number of useful/informative ratings).Especially considering that the "hall of fame" plaque next to your name gives people the impression that you're here to guide them in the proper direction.
You may have noticed that I don't discuss my condition. If you read more carefully, you will see me saying things like "this policy HAS worked for me and for the others".
There is no agenda. I am just sharing my own experiences regarding what had worked, as well as the experiences that I read about on this forum (positive experiences of people who take care of their ears, and negative horror stories of people who learn the hard way about the costs of being reckless).
Would you say that the music at a mall is harmless? If the answer is Yes, then would you like me to give you a link to what happened to Lex as a result of being exposed to music at a mall for 30 seconds? Does this mean that you need to update what you consider to be harmless?
My interesting observation is that the "brave people" are the ones whose T doesn't fade.
You are pushing a lifestyle that ensures that T stays, onto people who are yearning for it to fade.
The "Hall of Fame" plaque is not given on the basis of the sheer volume of posts, it is given on the basis of the number of positive ratings (e.g., the number of useful/informative ratings).
You would be better off if it were to not go down. It looks like you need a daily reminder that it is a good idea to try to actively reduce the risk you are being exposed to. Until you get that reminder, you will feel compelled to act recklessly increasing your chance of a Serious permanent spike. In any case, I hope that you will keep doing what you have been doing.
If you can prove me that our ears are compromised I will join your truth sect.
Prior to my recent setback, I immensely improved by wearing earplugs almost everywhere and spending a lot of time in silence. Before, clicking the mouse, typing on the keyboard, tapping on my phone, and pressing the home button all hurt, but the pain eventually went away. Then I got a bit braver and started wearing my earplugs less, which sadly led me to being exposed to a speaker that suddenly blasted music at the mall. The people around me (who were also near the speaker) weren't fazed by the music but it caused a horrible and painful setback for me.
Six months later, her spike was still not completely over:I was walking past a stack of speakers at the mall when they suddenly blasted loud music. I didn't have earplugs on because I know that area of the mall is normally quiet. Just sucks that the speakers came on. But worse was that I froze in place, like a deer caught in headlights. I got exposed for I dunno, 20 to 30 seconds before survival instinct took over.
I've vastly improved since I last posted but I am not yet back to baseline pre-setback.
Above, he is talking aboutA TT member sat in his basement with no sound or visual stimulation, in complete darkness, for a period of time and claims that it reduced his tinnitus significantly.
You need to be a Donor in order to have a signature below your posts where you can provide disclosures. I am sorry, I am not going to paste a paragraph of text below each of my messages. I made those disclosures dozens of times.Does the above post carry any disclosures?
Not really. What you are quoting is directed at other users. If someone is aware of the danger and chooses to take the risk, I confess that I no longer feel sorry if they learn the hard way that they had made a mistake.Here you are attempting to bully this poor kid into living your lifestyle
Did I live up to your expectations?Although I'm sure you'll find an excuse that somehow rationalizes this as well, in fact I'm sure of it.
In addition to my explanation above, I also really meant what I said. I think he Would be better off if his T were to spike and provide him with a permanent reminder that it is unwise to act recklessly. I believe the alternative is for him to abuse ears for a long time and THEN get a LOUDER permanent spike. The way I see it, the choice is between a small permanent spike now vs a louder permanent spike a year from now. So yes, he would be better off with a quieter spike, even if he has to endure it a little longer.Here you are attempting to bully this poor kid into living your lifestyle by threatening a permanent spike
You need to be a Donor in order to have a signature below your posts where you can provide disclosures. I am sorry, I am not going to paste a paragraph of text below each of my messages. I made those disclosures dozens of times.
Not really. What you are quoting is directed at other users. If someone is aware of the danger and chooses to take the risk, I confess that I no longer feel sorry if they learn the hard way that they had made a mistake.
Did I live up to your expectations?
I could produce 50 cases like that (it might have to wait until the summer when I have more time to "collect the data"). Specifically, I bet you Won't be able to produce links to one Tenth of the number of cases that I can produce. I am saying that I would be focusing on T sufferers, and you would be focusing on the cases where a healthy person got serious medical problems from one of those harmless-sounding noises (e.g., neighbour's weed wacker, music at the mall, etc.)Thank God, scientists don't draw conclusions on one case.
I don't think there is a truth that covers us all. I believe that what had worked for me and others will likely work for a significant fraction of people here. I have no idea what that fraction is.I just meant that you don't necessarily "speak the truth".
You call it a fallacy without addressing all of the evidence I produced of people who get better when they are able to stay away from noise, and who get worse after being exposed to noise.this flawed belief that if one isolates him or herself from enough noise, that their tinnitus will magically reduce, eventually disappearing.
Solitary road trips are my biggest passion. My favorite place in the world is Iceland. I had visited it four or five times. I will need to visit it one more time, as there are still two stretches of highway there that I haven't experienced yet.what do you do for fun? What kind of daily/weekly activities do you do?