2020 US Presidential Election

[FGG]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/04/tru...tein-from-mar-a-lago-for-hitting-on-girl.html

Yep because he knew personally what Epstein was and didn't want to look bad in front of wealthy and powerful men. You are only supposed to exploit teens of poor and powerless families. That's rule number one.

Edit: here is Ghislaine Maxwell at an anti human trafficking event.

Being publicly anti anything doesn't mean you aren't trying to hide something.

 

[Zugzug]

Yep because he knew personally what Epstein was and didn't want to look bad in front of wealthy and powerful men. You are only supposed to exploit teens of poor and powerless families. That's rule number one.

Edit: here is Ghislaine Maxwell at an anti human trafficking event.

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Being publicly anti anything doesn't mean you aren't trying to hide something.

Amen.

 

[Watasha]

Yep because he knew personally what Epstein was and didn't want to look bad in front of wealthy and powerful men. You are only supposed to exploit teens of poor and powerless families. That's rule number one.

Edit: here is Ghislaine Maxwell at an anti human trafficking event.

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Being publicly anti anything doesn't mean you aren't trying to hide something.

Jeez, if Trump could walk on water you'd say it's because he can't swim. Specifically with no substantive evidence to the contrary. It didn't stop other powerful people from continuing to associate. Hopeless.

 

[Christiaan]

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Amen.

The guy in the picture looks a lot like Giancarlo Esposito (or is he?). What has he got to do with all of this Ghislaine Maxwell stuff? Sorry, I'm bit out of touch with some pop culture references.

 

[FGG]

Jeez, if Trump could walk on water you'd say it's because he can't swim. Specifically with no substantive evidence to the contrary. It didn't stop other powerful people from continuing to associate. Hopeless.

I find Maria Farmer credible since was one of the first girls to go to the FBI about Epstein and if she thinks Trump is involved, I would put more stock on that vs kicking out Epstein for hitting on another rich and powerful person's daughter.

 

[Zugzug]

The guy in the picture looks a lot like Giancarlo Esposito (or is he?). What has he got to do with all of this Ghislaine Maxwell stuff? Sorry, I'm bit out of touch with some pop culture references.

haha, I guess you haven't seen Breaking Bad. I don't want to give away spoilers, but if you look into Gus, you will see the connection.

 

[Watasha]

I find Maria Farmer credible since was one of the first girls to go to the FBI about Epstein and if she thinks Trump is involved, I would put more stock on that vs kicking out Epstein for hitting on another rich and powerful person's daughter.

So I suppose all of the other powerful people who remained connected are just not concerned at all about their image...

And having read the account you mentioned, it implies very little.

 

[PeteJ]

Hell of an endorsement:

"Biden is not 'better' than Trump, in any meaningful way — except that he is not Trump and is not part of the move to consolidate and enforce fascist rule, with everything that means"

So?

 

[Tanni]

The guy in the picture looks a lot like Giancarlo Esposito (or is he?). What has he got to do with all of this Ghislaine Maxwell stuff? Sorry, I'm bit out of touch with some pop culture references.

Christiaan, do yourself a favour -- get yourself on Netflix and watch Breaking Bad immediately. You will not regret it.

 

[PeteJ]

''In August 2020, Avakian officially endorsed voting for Joe Biden for President of the United States, stating that a vote for Biden was purely a vote to oust Trump/Pence, further explaining, "This is not because Biden (and the Democratic Party in general) have suddenly become something other than what they are: representatives and instruments of this exploitative, oppressive, and literally murderous system of capitalism-imperialism.''

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Avakian

He's not a big fan of JB; he only sees him as the lesser of two evils.

Wrong again, Chuck. Biden is viewed as a tool for leftist groups.

 

[PeteJ]

Corporations whose leadership lean right (off the top of my head):

Hobby Lobby and Chick-fil-a.

Lol. Nice try, FGG. You didn't do your research again. I have never heard of the first one.

As for the 2nd:
https://archive.is/yiviH

https://www.eatthis.com/chick-fil-a-racism/

 

[PeteJ]

Jeez, if Trump could walk on water you'd say it's because he can't swim. Specifically with no substantive evidence to the contrary. It didn't stop other powerful people from continuing to associate. Hopeless.

One word: Hypocrisy.

 

[Christiaan]

Wrong again, Chuck. Biden is viewed as a tool for leftist groups.

Chuck who? Well, let's just stick to my name then.

In one way I agree that Biden can be a tool sometimes (his gaffes & political flip-flops would easily disqualify him in my country), but certainly not a tool for the leftist agenda. If you look at his voting records records, he's basically a pro market centrist who often changes his views when issues gain more popularity (abortion rights, cuts to social security, taking money from super PACS). He has even mentioned half a year ago about appointing a republican as his Vice President to meet moderate republicans halfway.

Link:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51803885
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-says-he-s-open-republican-running-mate-n1108931

It is true that his team helped set up a joint task force with people from the Sanders campaign, and they have created a platform. However, this is non binding and the future president can easily discard it as he sees fit.

I've also mentioned in an earlier mail that during a virtual meet-up with donors Biden has said that he doesn't intend to change corporate behaviour via legislation. That doesn't score points with progressives.

Here's the quote:
''Corporate America has to change its ways. It's not going to require legislation. I'm not proposing any''.

Link:
https://sirota.substack.com/p/biden-just-made-a-big-promise-to

Transcript of the virtual meeting

 

[Christiaan]

haha, I guess you haven't seen Breaking Bad. I don't want to give away spoilers, but if you look into Gus, you will see the connection.

Guilty as charged Just read Wikipedia and connected the dots. Thanks! Loved Esposito in the sci-fi series Revolution BTW (which was sadly cancelled a few years ago).

 

[Christiaan]

Christiaan, do yourself a favour -- get yourself on Netflix and watch Breaking Bad immediately. You will not regret it.

I heard great stories about Breaking Bad @Tanni. Somehow I never had the motivation to watch the series as I've heard from someone that the main guy dies at the end, which is incredibly sad & huge dealbreaker for me.

 

[all to gain]

I'm going to admit that I know very little about Biden, except that he's had brain surgeries and is getting on in age, but surely he couldn't be worse than Trump? Even if Biden does very little in his term, surely that's got to be better than the continuing destruction of the USA by Trump?

And I'm not even Left leaning.

 

[Zugzug]

I'm going to admit that I know very little about Biden, except that he's had brain surgeries and is getting on in age, but surely he couldn't be worse than Trump? Even if Biden does very little in his term, surely that's got to be better than the continuing destruction of the USA by Trump?

And I'm not even Left leaning.

Yeah, Biden is damage control. I don't see the left throwing him around much. He will become more "throw-around-able" as he gets older, but then more duties will be transferred to his VP. Biden could get thrown left economically a little bit because of the pandemic though. My main hope for him is that he improves alliances. But he's not really going to change things a whole lot. The Trump cult will still be loud and relevant.

 

[all to gain]

Yeah, Biden is damage control. I don't see the left throwing him around much. He will become more "throw-around-able" as he gets older, but then more duties will be transferred to his VP. Biden could get thrown left economically a little bit because of the pandemic though. My main hope for him is that he improves alliances. But he's not really going to change things a whole lot. The Trump cult will still be loud and relevant.

Actually I've just looked at some of Biden's gaffes LOL

How did it get to the point that these two were considered the best candidates to lead the World's most powerful country?

Something has seriously got to change in the electoral process.

 

[FGG]

Lol. Nice try, FGG. You didn't do your research again. I have never heard of the first one.

As for the 2nd:
https://archive.is/yiviH

https://www.eatthis.com/chick-fil-a-racism/

Previously they had been anti-gay and were boycotted for it. I'm pleasantly surprised at their BLM response!

 

[FGG]

So I suppose all of the other powerful people who remained connected are just not concerned at all about their image...

And having read the account you mentioned, it implies very little.

She didn't say Trump molested her personally but was creep around her and was a witness to Epstein's behavior for a very long time.

I don't know of any of the girls who directly said Clinton molested them either. But it's clear both men were at minimum turning a blind eye and at maximum active participants.

Pretty much no one is quite as concerned at their image as Trump is imo.

Edit: and to add to this the guy who said this:

"I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy," Trump told New York Magazine that year for a story headlined "Jeffrey Epstein: International Moneyman of Mystery." "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

Clearly knew and had no issue with Epstein's actions. Not until he clearly hit on the wrong person's daughter at Mar-a-Lago anyway.

 

[FGG]

Actually I've just looked at some of Biden's gaffes LOL

How did it get to the point that these two were considered the best candidates to lead the World's most powerful country?

Something has seriously got to change in the electoral process.

I would have preferred anyone but Bloomberg to Biden as the dem choice.

 

[Zugzug]

Actually I've just looked at some of Biden's gaffes LOL

How did it get to the point that these two were considered the best candidates to lead the World's most powerful country?

Something has seriously got to change in the electoral process.

Biden is really a combination of name recognition, panic, and media creation. He also won a ton of AA support on the back of Obama. He was probably one of my least favorite in the field, but his experience boosted him up to about 4th for me. The problem is that American needs a deep intellectual, but we find them boring. I would love to see a data-driven guru. Yang wasn't it, but I think people see some bright things from his campaign -- namely, youth and data.

 

[Zugzug]

I heard great stories about Breaking Bad @Tanni. Somehow I never had the motivation to watch the series as I've heard from someone that the main guy dies at the end, which is incredibly sad & huge dealbreaker for me.

It's a really good show. And the spin-off prequel, "Better Call Saul" is also interesting, although I am behind since getting H. The idea of the show is so simple, but clever at the same time. I haven't seen too many people dislike it, although my wife did because she doesn't like conflict lol. There is certainly some conflict in Breaking Bad. Also, if you need to be in love with the protagonist at all times, this is not the show for you.

 

[FGG]

It's a really good show. And the spin-off prequel, "Better Call Saul" is also interesting, although I am behind since getting H. The idea of the show is so simple, but clever at the same time. I haven't seen too many people dislike it, although my wife did because she doesn't like conflict lol. There is certainly some conflict in Breaking Bad.

For some reason, your wife's statement reminded me of the Charlie Kaufman movie Adaptation (one of my favorites) where the protagonist is trying to write a screenplay without any conflict what-so-ever

"Why can't it just be about flowers?"

 

[PeteJ]

Biden is really a combination of name recognition, panic, and media creation. He also won a ton of AA support on the back of Obama. He was probably one of my least favorite in the field, but his experience boosted him up to about 4th for me. The problem is that American needs a deep intellectual, but we find them boring. I would love to see a data-driven guru. Yang wasn't it, but I think people see some bright things from his campaign -- namely, youth and data.

Plus, he's more of a pedo than Trump. No wonder you leftists like him. Clinton and now Biden.

 

[PeteJ]

I'm going to admit that I know very little about Biden, except that he's had brain surgeries and is getting on in age, but surely he couldn't be worse than Trump? Even if Biden does very little in his term, surely that's got to be better than the continuing destruction of the USA by Trump?

And I'm not even Left leaning.

Biden is a tool for the left, especially far left organizations and even Communist parties support him.

 

[Watasha]

She didn't say Trump molested her personally but was creep around her and was a witness to Epstein's behavior for a very long time.

I don't know of any of the girls who directly said Clinton molested them either. But it's clear both men were at minimum turning a blind eye and at maximum active participants.

Pretty much no one is quite as concerned at their image as Trump is imo.

Edit: and to add to this the guy who said this:

"I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy," Trump told New York Magazine that year for a story headlined "Jeffrey Epstein: International Moneyman of Mystery." "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

Clearly knew and had no issue with Epstein's actions. Not until he clearly hit on the wrong person's daughter at Mar-a-Lago anyway.

Clearly nothing, you are making an assumption there in order to implicate a man that you personally loathe. Younger side could also mean not around his age, college age, etc. We only know with further context available to us now, that it was possibly younger than that.

 

[PeteJ]

Chuck who? Well, let's just stick to my name then.

In one way I agree that Biden can be a tool sometimes (his gaffes & political flip-flops would easily disqualify him in my country), but certainly not a tool for the leftist agenda. If you look at his voting records records, he's basically a pro market centrist who often changes his views when issues gain more popularity (abortion rights, cuts to social security, taking money from super PACS). He has even mentioned half a year ago about appointing a republican as his Vice President to meet moderate republicans halfway.

Link:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51803885
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-says-he-s-open-republican-running-mate-n1108931

It is true that his team helped set up a joint task force with people from the Sanders campaign, and they have created a platform. However, this is non binding and the future president can easily discard it as he sees fit.

I've also mentioned in an earlier mail that during a virtual meet-up with donors Biden has said that he doesn't intend to change corporate behaviour via legislation. That doesn't score points with progressives.

Here's the quote:
''Corporate America has to change its ways. It's not going to require legislation. I'm not proposing any''.

Link:
https://sirota.substack.com/p/biden-just-made-a-big-promise-to

Transcript of the virtual meeting

I was kidding. Not with this, though:
https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/06/9...nations-go-to-joe-biden-campaign-via-actblue/

https://patriotpulse.net/joe-biden-got-caught-red-handed-with-this-awful-link-to-antifa/

https://noqreport.com/2020/07/26/joe-bidens-silence-on-violent-antifa-and-blm-riots-is-deafening/

I don't even concur with the conclusion of the last link but at least Trump is saying something even if it just "talk" in his tweets.

Anyway, you are wrong.

 

[Zugzug]

For some reason, your wife's statement reminded me of the Charlie Kaufman movie Adaptation (one of my favorites) where the protagonist is trying to write a screenplay without any conflict what-so-ever

"Why can't it just be about flowers?"

Well I think her #1 priority is liking the protagonist. She seems to mind conflict less when it comes from a variety of sources, as opposed to a deep dive into a mad man's psyche. Also, the conflict needs to be resolved in a feel-good way. I'm almost the opposite in that I love dark psychological thrillers. I will have to check out Adaptation some day.

 

[FGG]

Plus, he's more of a pedo than Trump. No wonder you leftists like him. Clinton and now Biden.

Bill Clinton is absolutely a predator imo. You won't hear many people defend Anthony Weiner either. Nor should they.

Something that everyone should come together on is that child sexual crime is wrong no matter if someone has a (D) or an (R) next to their name! We should all fight child sexual endangerment and trafficking on *both* sides.

Maybe this might help you see that it's a "both sides" issue and a far too common one among men (and women) of all stripes in positions of power. Here is a list of some convicted Republican offenders (credit to redditor, "Scubalefty" for compiling this):

• Republican Paul Peterson charged with human trafficking adoption scheme.

• Republican senator Mike Folmer arrested on child porn charges on 9-17-2019.

• ⁠Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert was sentenced to 15 months in prison in a hush money case that revealed he was being accused of sexually abusing young boys as a teacher in Illinois

• ⁠Republican Thomas Adams of Illinois charged with 11 counts of disseminating child pornography and two counts of possession of child pornography.

• ⁠Republican Steve Aiken convicted of having sex with two underage girls.

• ⁠Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

• ⁠Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child. Later rearrested for 5 counts of sexual assault on a child, 3 counts of sexual enticement of a child and one count of sexual exploitation of a child.

• ⁠Republican Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

• ⁠Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16 year old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

• ⁠Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to, 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

• ⁠Republican Hewart Lee Bennett arrested for soliciting sex from 16 year old boys while claiming that he did so to gain their trust and then teach them the love of Jesus.

• ⁠Republican Christian Coalition chair Louis Beres investigated for molesting three female family members as teens.

• ⁠Republican legislative aide Howard Brooks was charged with molesting a 17 year old boy and possession of child pornography.

• ⁠Republican Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13 year old boy.

• ⁠Republican John Allen Burt was charged with seuxal misconduct involving a 15 year old girl.

• ⁠Republican John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

• ⁠Republican Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

• ⁠Republican Kevin Koan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14 year old girl.

• ⁠Republican John Collins pleads guilty to sexually molesting a 13 + 14 year old girls.

• ⁠Republican Carey Lee Cramer (who appeared in an ad blasting Al gore) convicted of molesting 9 yr old girl stepdaughter

• ⁠Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

• ⁠Republican John Curtain charged with molesting a teenage boy.

• ⁠Republican Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos

• ⁠Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 15 year old girl.

• ⁠Republican Brian Doyle arrested for trying to seduce a 14 year old girl over the Internet.

• ⁠Republican Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6 year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

• ⁠Republican congressman Mark Foley resigned from Congress after sending sexually explicit emails to former male pages under the age of 13.

• ⁠Republican Larry Dale Floyd of Denton arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex from an 13 yr old girl.

• ⁠Republican Jack Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13 year old girl.

• ⁠Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

• ⁠Republican Mayor Philip Giordano of Waterbury Connecticut is serving 37 years for sexually abusing 8 and 10 year old girls

• ⁠Republican Marty Glickman convicted in Florida on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl.

• ⁠Republican John Gosek sentenced to jail for soliciting sex from two 15 year old girls.

• ⁠Republican Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

• ⁠Republican Russell Harding pleads guilty to possession of child pornography on his computer.

• ⁠Republican Mark Harris was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11 year old girl and sentenced to 17 years in prison.

• ⁠Republican Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

• ⁠Republican pastor Mike Hintz (whom George Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign) surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

• ⁠Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

• ⁠Republican Earl Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8 year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

• ⁠Republican Judge Ronald Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation.

• ⁠Republican Congressman Donald Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in Jail

• ⁠Republican Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

• ⁠Republican Pat McPherson arrested for fondling a 17 yr old girl.

• ⁠Republican Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor..

• ⁠Republican Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5 year old girl being raped.

• ⁠Republican Judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10 year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

• ⁠Republican Dennis Rader pleaded guilty for performing a sexual act on an 11 year old girl he murdered.

• ⁠Republican Tom Randall pleads guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14.

• ⁠Republican Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter Susan Smith.

• ⁠Republican ex congressman Peter Schmitt of Orange County convicted of raping a 6th grader.

• ⁠Republican Larry Jack Schwartz was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

• ⁠Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

• ⁠Republican Fred C. Smeltzer Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year old girl and served six months in prison.

• ⁠Republican party leader Bobby Stumbo arrested for having sex with a five year old boy.

• ⁠Republican David Swartt pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 3 years in prison.

• ⁠Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano arrested for sexually molesting a 14 yr old girl.

• ⁠Republican consultant Lawrence Scott Ward arrested at Dulles airport after authorities found child pornography and videotapes of him having sex with children.

• ⁠Spokane Republican homophobic mayor Jim West recalled after evidence surfaced that he molested little boys.

• ⁠Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

• ⁠Republican preacher Stephen White was sentenced to jail after offering $27 to a 14 year old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

• ⁠Republican activist and James Dobson protege Steve Wilsey convicted of sexual assault after being charged with molesting an 8 year old boy.