2020 US Presidential Election
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I probably shouldn't have spammed the thread with such a long list but the "liberals are pedos" thing is such a tired meme and ridiculous. As you can see by the list, this isn't somehow a "liberal" problem, it's a national problem, period.
What gets me too is i remember a few of my relatives, for instance, blasting Sinead O Connor for ripping up a photo of the Pope on SNL way back in the day (her protest to his shielding pedophilia priest in the church) who are now screaming about Bill Clinton on social media. If people care about child sex crime more than "owning the libs" they would want investigation of *all* pedos but it seems so selective.
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I must say, although I'm not a leftist, I do kind of see where they are coming from with regards to not capitulating to Republicans. This thread is a perfect microcosm of that. We just had a discussion above about Bill Clinton being a sexual predator and Pete comes in and accuses us of being part of the Clinton cult and being cool with sexual assault.
What was the point? Why didn't I just try to pathetically defend Bill the way that conservatives defend Trump? What value was gained from me critically evaluating Bill?
The 'owning the Libs' thing is so tiring. And when there's even the eency weency smallest pushback, people get told that they would criticize Trump if he could "walk on water." There's such a paper tiger effect. And for the record, Obama Derangement Syndrome was way bigger of a real thing. Obama himself has said he strives to be like a moderate Republican. How can you defend Trump? The guy actively tries to divide; it's literally his strategy. Yeah, I'm going to hate a guy that claims to be a patriot, but wants to piss me off. It's laughable to think that that makes me overly critical.
Imagine Obama acting like Trump and conservatives praising him. It's a cult. Why am I even writing this post?
What was the point? Why didn't I just try to pathetically defend Bill the way that conservatives defend Trump? What value was gained from me critically evaluating Bill?
The 'owning the Libs' thing is so tiring. And when there's even the eency weency smallest pushback, people get told that they would criticize Trump if he could "walk on water." There's such a paper tiger effect. And for the record, Obama Derangement Syndrome was way bigger of a real thing. Obama himself has said he strives to be like a moderate Republican. How can you defend Trump? The guy actively tries to divide; it's literally his strategy. Yeah, I'm going to hate a guy that claims to be a patriot, but wants to piss me off. It's laughable to think that that makes me overly critical.
Imagine Obama acting like Trump and conservatives praising him. It's a cult. Why am I even writing this post?
I think you will find that none of the "leftists" on this thread are defending Bill Clinton.
I think you are projecting. It seems like you only care when it's a Democrat.
Did you speak out against Republican Dennis Hastert? He was the speaker of the house.
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Left or Right - Who in government or business cares about you with a health problem and your financial needs - none of them.
Speculation:
1) The NY Attorney General's major announcement in 10 minutes will concern criminal findings in Trump's seized Deutsche Bank records.
2) His supporters won't care/will say it is fake news.
Edit: I was way off
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1) The NY Attorney General's major announcement in 10 minutes will concern criminal findings in Trump's seized Deutsche Bank records.
2) His supporters won't care/will say it is fake news.
Edit: I was way off
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This question operates under the premise that "government" should care.
I'd argue that government should allow private individuals to care in the best and most efficient way possible, not that government should care itself. I sincerely doubt that healthcare has been made more affordable from government "caring."
We the people should care, and should lift up and assist those in need. Catholic hospitals have done this for centuries. Get government out of the way. At it's core, it's the people's duty to care, not government.
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@FGG In California, if you are having a baby (just being one example) - private insurance including an employed plan will only pay for two days as an inpatient, unless there's outstanding health complications.
If you are very rich with name recognition, hospitals will eat the costs for a new mother to stay extra days.
If you are on public assistance, state insurance will pay for three days and with any complications at all, state insurance will pay until term or post for months.
The problem is for those with small incomes making just enough where one does qualify for state benefits, or having a small net worth in California. There's no safety net. They still have to pay taxes.
Bernie's ideas, including national health would increase taxes on lower wage earners and the elderly on fixed income. Or drive food and living expenses up because business that had their taxes increased will increase product and service costs.
California is very expensive and the state and counties drains the lower and middle glass in many ways. I know that you are a veterinarian and I honor that. State animal hospitals fees can be 10,000 thousands a week for a pet that needs to place in an ICU.
If you are very rich with name recognition, hospitals will eat the costs for a new mother to stay extra days.
If you are on public assistance, state insurance will pay for three days and with any complications at all, state insurance will pay until term or post for months.
The problem is for those with small incomes making just enough where one does qualify for state benefits, or having a small net worth in California. There's no safety net. They still have to pay taxes.
Bernie's ideas, including national health would increase taxes on lower wage earners and the elderly on fixed income. Or drive food and living expenses up because business that had their taxes increased will increase product and service costs.
California is very expensive and the state and counties drains the lower and middle glass in many ways. I know that you are a veterinarian and I honor that. State animal hospitals fees can be 10,000 thousands a week for a pet that needs to place in an ICU.
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Because it's done without verifiable evidence. People are drawing their own conclusions from loosely connected facts. The TRUTH is, we know very little about what Clinton has ACTUALLY done and until such time, we should refrain from labeling anyone, including Trump.
This is fair. I think speculation in politics is fine though (we all do it) but keeping an open mind is good, too.
It is a huge problem and I don't claim to know the perfect solution. With MFA, though at least, everyone would get equal coverage. Bernie's plan seeks to raise funds with measures like a capital gains tax increase and an increase on the very wealthy.
His tax increase on lower brackets would pay for itself because it is currently much less than people spend on insurance and out of pocket health expenses.
Even people *with* health insurance are going bankrupt from expenses.
In regards to product and service expenses, I would argue almost nothing is as important as health care. If housing did go up, however, that would indeed create a big problem but I haven't seen it outlined how that would happen.
@Greg Sacramento, you brought up ICU vet expenses so I want to give you a comparison.
Ovariohysterectomy for 150lb woman = $26,000 (based on talking to an anesthesiologist at a wedding reception a few years ago... can't remember the exact figure but it was something like that)
Ovariohysterectomy for 150lb Great Dane = $400
I included weights because a 5lb Pom would clearly use less of everything, including time.
Anyway, insurance is obviously only part of the picture (though one often cited co-factor for health care costs is uninsured people's emergency room visits have to be absorbed by the insured).
You brought up thousands of dollars for pet ICU bills. The same bill for a person would easily run $50,000 to a few hundred thousand. And part of why the price of vet med has gone up while salaries haven't kept up is because we mostly use human equipment and drugs and those prices are skyrocketing.
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To be honest, I've seen so many right wingers use the "What about Clinton?" as an excuse, that I just assumed your position leaned towards defending Trump. I will apologize if I did not reveal hypocrisy on your end.
As far as the topic is concerned, I still disagree with you, and it mostly has to do with abuse culture. Both Trump and Clinton have plenty of behavioral patterns, very credible accusations (e.g. Trump's ex-wife), hard evidence (Access Hollywood - Trump, Lewinski - Clinton), and being close friends with Epstein. It is more than fair to speculate their involvement.
Where I would agree with you is if some random person without any evidence of abuse, was accused of abuse, it should be looked at and speculated upon more carefully. For example, I hate Ben Shapiro politically and think he lacks empathy, but there's nothing in his behavior or personal life that would make me suspect that he's committed sexual assault. Similarly, PizzaGate was 100% baseless. Trump and Bill Clinton land in a different region. Their behavior has brought the speculation upon them.
Sometimes MeToo goes a bit too far, but we have to come to terms with the fact that most abusers cover their tracks. It's so unlikely that rape is going to get caught in the act by someone in a position to take them down. Predators specifically find people that the public wouldn't believe. We shouldn't be afraid to speculate and raise attention to it when it is reasonable.
Projection. You only care if it's a Democrat, while everyone else has condemned abusers on both sides.
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New York attorney general files lawsuit to dissolve the National Rifle Association
''New York Attorney General Letitia James announced she will attempt to dissolve the National Rifle Association, accusing its senior leadership of violating laws governing non-profit groups, using millions from the organization's reserves for personal use and tax fraud.''
Link: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/06/politics/ny-ag-announcement/index.html
''New York Attorney General Letitia James announced she will attempt to dissolve the National Rifle Association, accusing its senior leadership of violating laws governing non-profit groups, using millions from the organization's reserves for personal use and tax fraud.''
Link: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/06/politics/ny-ag-announcement/index.html
I have to admit, I was hoping it was about the Trump Deutsche Bank Subpoenas since they recently announced that they had acquired his financial records.
Obama is a 'moderate" Republican.' You have flipped your lid.
Who said I support Trump? For the last time I am going to say, I already explained my views on Trump.
I might agree with something he said but only because the other 'side' is a bunch of deranged leftists.
Do you think I care that you said 'Clinton did something bad' and then you try to find something Republicans did. I don't care about your partisan nonsense.
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Speculation:
1) The NY Attorney General's major announcement in 10 minutes will concern criminal findings in Trump's seized Deutsche Bank records.
2) His supporters won't care/will say it is fake news.
Edit: I was way off
Didn't the state AG just get Trump's financial records? If so, it would take weeks, maybe months, before they would announce that they will go over to prosecution, if given credible evidence of wrongdoing.
This is still a big story, right? It would mean a big deal in financial support and lobbying gun friendly politicians. It would be interesting to see the implications in US politics if the NRA was dissolved.
No, I don't defend him. I don't know what 'right wingers' or Republican voters in the U.S. do. If they do the same nonsense as you and other Marxists here do then then they are just as bad.
But, powerful leftists like Clinton and Biden get a free ride by the MSM and leftists like you and the rest here. I don't have to wait long to find some news source to tell me how bad Trump is. I know all of you can see the difference so c'mon, stop pretending, please.
I have said that I don't agree with looting or unprovoked instigating BUT disagreed that it represented BLM as a whole. That's not "ignoring your points", it's not agreeing with you.
Re: Biden. He just seems like an overly affectionate, not recognizing personal space old man to me. But if you have some evidence he molested children by all means post it.
Will you condemn Dennis Hastert and the convinced Republican child sex offenders?
Read this article but mostly the comment at the end.
https://filmdaily.co/news/jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump/
That seems to come up time and time again. They are all scum, imho, but it sounds like Clinton and other other high profile people continued the friendship or whatever you call it long after Trump severed ties.
They are all guilty and it's pathetic that citizens support marxism and status quo politics... meaning you're okay with either or.
It's bad enough in Canada. I don't know how enlightened people in the USA put up with it.
This whole post literally describes Pete, not FGG -- am I alone in being completely bemused by this??? I genuinely think it might be trolling. Can't believe the name calling has started up again after all of 5 minutes. Thread is unreadable again.
BLM's founders are MARXISTS and several of them have condoned and advocated violence especially towards whites. Your disagreement indicates you also support it.
Your nonsense in trying to get me to condemn the Republicans is wearing thin. Of course, I do but what is your point? You are grasping for straws. I have made it clear I don't support either mainstream Democrats or Republicans and said the system is a farce. I sure am not going to support anyone who has skeletons like that so it's pointless asking me about it.
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