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Bill Clinton is absolutely a predator imo. You won't hear many people defend Anthony Weiner either. Nor should they.

Something that everyone should come together on is that child sexual crime is wrong no matter if someone has a (D) or an (R) next to their name! We should all fight child sexual endangerment and trafficking on *both* sides.

Maybe this might help you see that it's a "both sides" issue and a far too common one among men (and women) of all stripes in positions of power. Here is a list of some convicted Republican offenders (credit to redditor, "Scubalefty" for compiling this):

• Republican Paul Peterson charged with human trafficking adoption scheme.

• Republican senator Mike Folmer arrested on child porn charges on 9-17-2019.

• ⁠Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert was sentenced to 15 months in prison in a hush money case that revealed he was being accused of sexually abusing young boys as a teacher in Illinois

• ⁠Republican Thomas Adams of Illinois charged with 11 counts of disseminating child pornography and two counts of possession of child pornography.

• ⁠Republican Steve Aiken convicted of having sex with two underage girls.

• ⁠Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

• ⁠Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child. Later rearrested for 5 counts of sexual assault on a child, 3 counts of sexual enticement of a child and one count of sexual exploitation of a child.

• ⁠Republican Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

• ⁠Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16 year old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

• ⁠Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to, 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

• ⁠Republican Hewart Lee Bennett arrested for soliciting sex from 16 year old boys while claiming that he did so to gain their trust and then teach them the love of Jesus.

• ⁠Republican Christian Coalition chair Louis Beres investigated for molesting three female family members as teens.

• ⁠Republican legislative aide Howard Brooks was charged with molesting a 17 year old boy and possession of child pornography.

• ⁠Republican Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13 year old boy.

• ⁠Republican John Allen Burt was charged with seuxal misconduct involving a 15 year old girl.

• ⁠Republican John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

• ⁠Republican Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

• ⁠Republican Kevin Koan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14 year old girl.

• ⁠Republican John Collins pleads guilty to sexually molesting a 13 + 14 year old girls.

• ⁠Republican Carey Lee Cramer (who appeared in an ad blasting Al gore) convicted of molesting 9 yr old girl stepdaughter

• ⁠Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

• ⁠Republican John Curtain charged with molesting a teenage boy.

• ⁠Republican Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos

• ⁠Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 15 year old girl.

• ⁠Republican Brian Doyle arrested for trying to seduce a 14 year old girl over the Internet.

• ⁠Republican Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6 year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

• ⁠Republican congressman Mark Foley resigned from Congress after sending sexually explicit emails to former male pages under the age of 13.

• ⁠Republican Larry Dale Floyd of Denton arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex from an 13 yr old girl.

• ⁠Republican Jack Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13 year old girl.

• ⁠Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

• ⁠Republican Mayor Philip Giordano of Waterbury Connecticut is serving 37 years for sexually abusing 8 and 10 year old girls

• ⁠Republican Marty Glickman convicted in Florida on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl.

• ⁠Republican John Gosek sentenced to jail for soliciting sex from two 15 year old girls.

• ⁠Republican Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

• ⁠Republican Russell Harding pleads guilty to possession of child pornography on his computer.

• ⁠Republican Mark Harris was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11 year old girl and sentenced to 17 years in prison.

• ⁠Republican Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

• ⁠Republican pastor Mike Hintz (whom George Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign) surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

• ⁠Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

• ⁠Republican Earl Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8 year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

• ⁠Republican Judge Ronald Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation.

• ⁠Republican Congressman Donald Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in Jail

• ⁠Republican Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

• ⁠Republican Pat McPherson arrested for fondling a 17 yr old girl.

• ⁠Republican Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor..

• ⁠Republican Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5 year old girl being raped.

• ⁠Republican Judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10 year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

• ⁠Republican Dennis Rader pleaded guilty for performing a sexual act on an 11 year old girl he murdered.

• ⁠Republican Tom Randall pleads guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14.

• ⁠Republican Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter Susan Smith.

• ⁠Republican ex congressman Peter Schmitt of Orange County convicted of raping a 6th grader.

• ⁠Republican Larry Jack Schwartz was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

• ⁠Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

• ⁠Republican Fred C. Smeltzer Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year old girl and served six months in prison.

• ⁠Republican party leader Bobby Stumbo arrested for having sex with a five year old boy.

• ⁠Republican David Swartt pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 3 years in prison.

• ⁠Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano arrested for sexually molesting a 14 yr old girl.

• ⁠Republican consultant Lawrence Scott Ward arrested at Dulles airport after authorities found child pornography and videotapes of him having sex with children.

• ⁠Spokane Republican homophobic mayor Jim West recalled after evidence surfaced that he molested little boys.

• ⁠Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

• ⁠Republican preacher Stephen White was sentenced to jail after offering $27 to a 14 year old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

• ⁠Republican activist and James Dobson protege Steve Wilsey convicted of sexual assault after being charged with molesting an 8 year old boy.
That's a lot of Republicans.
 
That's a lot of Republicans.
I probably shouldn't have spammed the thread with such a long list but the "liberals are pedos" thing is such a tired meme and ridiculous. As you can see by the list, this isn't somehow a "liberal" problem, it's a national problem, period.

What gets me too is i remember a few of my relatives, for instance, blasting Sinead O Connor for ripping up a photo of the Pope on SNL way back in the day (her protest to his shielding pedophilia priest in the church) who are now screaming about Bill Clinton on social media. If people care about child sex crime more than "owning the libs" they would want investigation of *all* pedos but it seems so selective.
 
Bill Clinton is absolutely a predator imo. You won't hear many people defend Anthony Weiner either. Nor should they.

Something that everyone should come together on is that child sexual crime is wrong no matter if someone has a (D) or an (R) next to their name! We should all fight child sexual endangerment and trafficking on *both* sides.

Maybe this might help you see that it's a "both sides" issue and a far too common one among men (and women) of all stripes in positions of power. Here is a list of some convicted Republican offenders (credit to redditor, "Scubalefty" for compiling this):

• Republican Paul Peterson charged with human trafficking adoption scheme.

• Republican senator Mike Folmer arrested on child porn charges on 9-17-2019.

• ⁠Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert was sentenced to 15 months in prison in a hush money case that revealed he was being accused of sexually abusing young boys as a teacher in Illinois

• ⁠Republican Thomas Adams of Illinois charged with 11 counts of disseminating child pornography and two counts of possession of child pornography.

• ⁠Republican Steve Aiken convicted of having sex with two underage girls.

• ⁠Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

• ⁠Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child. Later rearrested for 5 counts of sexual assault on a child, 3 counts of sexual enticement of a child and one count of sexual exploitation of a child.

• ⁠Republican Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

• ⁠Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16 year old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

• ⁠Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to, 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

• ⁠Republican Hewart Lee Bennett arrested for soliciting sex from 16 year old boys while claiming that he did so to gain their trust and then teach them the love of Jesus.

• ⁠Republican Christian Coalition chair Louis Beres investigated for molesting three female family members as teens.

• ⁠Republican legislative aide Howard Brooks was charged with molesting a 17 year old boy and possession of child pornography.

• ⁠Republican Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13 year old boy.

• ⁠Republican John Allen Burt was charged with seuxal misconduct involving a 15 year old girl.

• ⁠Republican John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

• ⁠Republican Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

• ⁠Republican Kevin Koan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14 year old girl.

• ⁠Republican John Collins pleads guilty to sexually molesting a 13 + 14 year old girls.

• ⁠Republican Carey Lee Cramer (who appeared in an ad blasting Al gore) convicted of molesting 9 yr old girl stepdaughter

• ⁠Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

• ⁠Republican John Curtain charged with molesting a teenage boy.

• ⁠Republican Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos

• ⁠Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 15 year old girl.

• ⁠Republican Brian Doyle arrested for trying to seduce a 14 year old girl over the Internet.

• ⁠Republican Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6 year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

• ⁠Republican congressman Mark Foley resigned from Congress after sending sexually explicit emails to former male pages under the age of 13.

• ⁠Republican Larry Dale Floyd of Denton arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex from an 13 yr old girl.

• ⁠Republican Jack Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13 year old girl.

• ⁠Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

• ⁠Republican Mayor Philip Giordano of Waterbury Connecticut is serving 37 years for sexually abusing 8 and 10 year old girls

• ⁠Republican Marty Glickman convicted in Florida on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl.

• ⁠Republican John Gosek sentenced to jail for soliciting sex from two 15 year old girls.

• ⁠Republican Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

• ⁠Republican Russell Harding pleads guilty to possession of child pornography on his computer.

• ⁠Republican Mark Harris was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11 year old girl and sentenced to 17 years in prison.

• ⁠Republican Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

• ⁠Republican pastor Mike Hintz (whom George Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign) surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

• ⁠Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

• ⁠Republican Earl Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8 year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

• ⁠Republican Judge Ronald Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation.

• ⁠Republican Congressman Donald Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in Jail

• ⁠Republican Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

• ⁠Republican Pat McPherson arrested for fondling a 17 yr old girl.

• ⁠Republican Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor..

• ⁠Republican Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5 year old girl being raped.

• ⁠Republican Judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10 year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

• ⁠Republican Dennis Rader pleaded guilty for performing a sexual act on an 11 year old girl he murdered.

• ⁠Republican Tom Randall pleads guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14.

• ⁠Republican Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter Susan Smith.

• ⁠Republican ex congressman Peter Schmitt of Orange County convicted of raping a 6th grader.

• ⁠Republican Larry Jack Schwartz was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

• ⁠Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

• ⁠Republican Fred C. Smeltzer Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year old girl and served six months in prison.

• ⁠Republican party leader Bobby Stumbo arrested for having sex with a five year old boy.

• ⁠Republican David Swartt pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 3 years in prison.

• ⁠Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano arrested for sexually molesting a 14 yr old girl.

• ⁠Republican consultant Lawrence Scott Ward arrested at Dulles airport after authorities found child pornography and videotapes of him having sex with children.

• ⁠Spokane Republican homophobic mayor Jim West recalled after evidence surfaced that he molested little boys.

• ⁠Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

• ⁠Republican preacher Stephen White was sentenced to jail after offering $27 to a 14 year old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

• ⁠Republican activist and James Dobson protege Steve Wilsey convicted of sexual assault after being charged with molesting an 8 year old boy.
Go peddle your Marxism on someone else.

You know my position on the two parties.

Secondly, Clinton was a President and Biden is the Democrat candidate. Yet, leftists only care if it's a Republican. You waste your hypocrisy bs on me.
 
I must say, although I'm not a leftist, I do kind of see where they are coming from with regards to not capitulating to Republicans. This thread is a perfect microcosm of that. We just had a discussion above about Bill Clinton being a sexual predator and Pete comes in and accuses us of being part of the Clinton cult and being cool with sexual assault.

What was the point? Why didn't I just try to pathetically defend Bill the way that conservatives defend Trump? What value was gained from me critically evaluating Bill?

The 'owning the Libs' thing is so tiring. And when there's even the eency weency smallest pushback, people get told that they would criticize Trump if he could "walk on water." There's such a paper tiger effect. And for the record, Obama Derangement Syndrome was way bigger of a real thing. Obama himself has said he strives to be like a moderate Republican. How can you defend Trump? The guy actively tries to divide; it's literally his strategy. Yeah, I'm going to hate a guy that claims to be a patriot, but wants to piss me off. It's laughable to think that that makes me overly critical.

Imagine Obama acting like Trump and conservatives praising him. It's a cult. Why am I even writing this post?
 
Go peddle your Marxism on someone else.

You know my position on the two parties.

Secondly, Clinton was a President and Biden is the Democrat candidate. Yet, leftists only care if it's a Republican. You waste your hypocrisy bs on me.
I think you will find that none of the "leftists" on this thread are defending Bill Clinton.

I think you are projecting. It seems like you only care when it's a Democrat.

Did you speak out against Republican Dennis Hastert? He was the speaker of the house.
 
Left or Right - Who in government or business cares about you with a health problem and your financial needs - none of them.
 
Speculation:

1) The NY Attorney General's major announcement in 10 minutes will concern criminal findings in Trump's seized Deutsche Bank records.

2) His supporters won't care/will say it is fake news.

Edit: I was way off :).
 
Left or Right - Who in government or business cares about you with a health problem and your financial needs - none of them.
This question operates under the premise that "government" should care.

I'd argue that government should allow private individuals to care in the best and most efficient way possible, not that government should care itself. I sincerely doubt that healthcare has been made more affordable from government "caring."

We the people should care, and should lift up and assist those in need. Catholic hospitals have done this for centuries. Get government out of the way. At it's core, it's the people's duty to care, not government.
 
@FGG In California, if you are having a baby (just being one example) - private insurance including an employed plan will only pay for two days as an inpatient, unless there's outstanding health complications.

If you are very rich with name recognition, hospitals will eat the costs for a new mother to stay extra days.

If you are on public assistance, state insurance will pay for three days and with any complications at all, state insurance will pay until term or post for months.

The problem is for those with small incomes making just enough where one does qualify for state benefits, or having a small net worth in California. There's no safety net. They still have to pay taxes.

Bernie's ideas, including national health would increase taxes on lower wage earners and the elderly on fixed income. Or drive food and living expenses up because business that had their taxes increased will increase product and service costs.

California is very expensive and the state and counties drains the lower and middle glass in many ways. I know that you are a veterinarian and I honor that. State animal hospitals fees can be 10,000 thousands a week for a pet that needs to place in an ICU.
 
l? The 'owning the Libs' thing is so tiring. And when there's even the eency weency smallest pushback, people get told that they would criticize Trump if he could "walk on water." There's such a paper tiger effect.
Because it's done without verifiable evidence. People are drawing their own conclusions from loosely connected facts. The TRUTH is, we know very little about what Clinton has ACTUALLY done and until such time, we should refrain from labeling anyone, including Trump.
 
Because it's done without verifiable evidence. People are drawing their own conclusions from loosely connected facts. The TRUTH is, we know very little about what Clinton has ACTUALLY done and until such time, we should refrain from labeling anyone, including Trump.
This is fair. I think speculation in politics is fine though (we all do it) but keeping an open mind is good, too.
 
@FGG In California, if you are having a baby (just being one example) - private insurance including an employed plan will only pay for two days as an inpatient, unless there's outstanding health complications.

If you are very rich with name recognition, hospitals will eat the costs for a new mother to stay extra days.

If you are on public assistance, state insurance will pay for three days and with any complications at all, state insurance will pay until term or post for months.

The problem is for those with small incomes making just enough where one does qualify for state benefits, or having a small net worth in California. There's no safety net. They still have to pay taxes.

Bernie's ideas, including national health would increase taxes on lower wage earners and the elderly on fixed income. Or drive food and living expenses up because business that had their taxes increased will increase product and service costs.

California is very expensive and the state and counties drains the lower and middle glass in many ways. I know that you are a veterinarian and I honor that. State animal hospitals fees can be 10,000 thousands a week for a pet that needs to place in an ICU.
It is a huge problem and I don't claim to know the perfect solution. With MFA, though at least, everyone would get equal coverage. Bernie's plan seeks to raise funds with measures like a capital gains tax increase and an increase on the very wealthy.

His tax increase on lower brackets would pay for itself because it is currently much less than people spend on insurance and out of pocket health expenses.

Even people *with* health insurance are going bankrupt from expenses.

In regards to product and service expenses, I would argue almost nothing is as important as health care. If housing did go up, however, that would indeed create a big problem but I haven't seen it outlined how that would happen.

@Greg Sacramento, you brought up ICU vet expenses so I want to give you a comparison.

Ovariohysterectomy for 150lb woman = $26,000 (based on talking to an anesthesiologist at a wedding reception a few years ago... can't remember the exact figure but it was something like that)

Ovariohysterectomy for 150lb Great Dane = $400

I included weights because a 5lb Pom would clearly use less of everything, including time.

Anyway, insurance is obviously only part of the picture (though one often cited co-factor for health care costs is uninsured people's emergency room visits have to be absorbed by the insured).

You brought up thousands of dollars for pet ICU bills. The same bill for a person would easily run $50,000 to a few hundred thousand. And part of why the price of vet med has gone up while salaries haven't kept up is because we mostly use human equipment and drugs and those prices are skyrocketing.
 
Because it's done without verifiable evidence. People are drawing their own conclusions from loosely connected facts. The TRUTH is, we know very little about what Clinton has ACTUALLY done and until such time, we should refrain from labeling anyone, including Trump.
To be honest, I've seen so many right wingers use the "What about Clinton?" as an excuse, that I just assumed your position leaned towards defending Trump. I will apologize if I did not reveal hypocrisy on your end.

As far as the topic is concerned, I still disagree with you, and it mostly has to do with abuse culture. Both Trump and Clinton have plenty of behavioral patterns, very credible accusations (e.g. Trump's ex-wife), hard evidence (Access Hollywood - Trump, Lewinski - Clinton), and being close friends with Epstein. It is more than fair to speculate their involvement.

Where I would agree with you is if some random person without any evidence of abuse, was accused of abuse, it should be looked at and speculated upon more carefully. For example, I hate Ben Shapiro politically and think he lacks empathy, but there's nothing in his behavior or personal life that would make me suspect that he's committed sexual assault. Similarly, PizzaGate was 100% baseless. Trump and Bill Clinton land in a different region. Their behavior has brought the speculation upon them.

Sometimes MeToo goes a bit too far, but we have to come to terms with the fact that most abusers cover their tracks. It's so unlikely that rape is going to get caught in the act by someone in a position to take them down. Predators specifically find people that the public wouldn't believe. We shouldn't be afraid to speculate and raise attention to it when it is reasonable.
 
New York attorney general files lawsuit to dissolve the National Rifle Association

''New York Attorney General Letitia James announced she will attempt to dissolve the National Rifle Association, accusing its senior leadership of violating laws governing non-profit groups, using millions from the organization's reserves for personal use and tax fraud.''

Link: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/06/politics/ny-ag-announcement/index.html
 
New York attorney general files lawsuit to dissolve the National Rifle Association

''New York Attorney General Letitia James announced she will attempt to dissolve the National Rifle Association, accusing its senior leadership of violating laws governing non-profit groups, using millions from the organization's reserves for personal use and tax fraud.''

Link: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/06/politics/ny-ag-announcement/index.html
I have to admit, I was hoping it was about the Trump Deutsche Bank Subpoenas since they recently announced that they had acquired his financial records.
 
I must say, although I'm not a leftist, I do kind of see where they are coming from with regards to not capitulating to Republicans. This thread is a perfect microcosm of that. We just had a discussion above about Bill Clinton being a sexual predator and Pete comes in and accuses us of being part of the Clinton cult and being cool with sexual assault.

What was the point? Why didn't I just try to pathetically defend Bill the way that conservatives defend Trump? What value was gained from me critically evaluating Bill?

The 'owning the Libs' thing is so tiring. And when there's even the eency weency smallest pushback, people get told that they would criticize Trump if he could "walk on water." There's such a paper tiger effect. And for the record, Obama Derangement Syndrome was way bigger of a real thing. Obama himself has said he strives to be like a moderate Republican. How can you defend Trump? The guy actively tries to divide; it's literally his strategy. Yeah, I'm going to hate a guy that claims to be a patriot, but wants to piss me off. It's laughable to think that that makes me overly critical.

Imagine Obama acting like Trump and conservatives praising him. It's a cult. Why am I even writing this post?
Obama is a 'moderate" Republican.' You have flipped your lid.

Who said I support Trump? For the last time I am going to say, I already explained my views on Trump.

I might agree with something he said but only because the other 'side' is a bunch of deranged leftists.

Do you think I care that you said 'Clinton did something bad' and then you try to find something Republicans did. I don't care about your partisan nonsense.
 
I think you will find that none of the "leftists" on this thread are defending Bill Clinton.

I think you are projecting. It seems like you only care when it's a Democrat.

Did you speak out against Republican Dennis Hastert? He was the speaker of the house.
You haven't condemned any of the leftist violence, ignored the points I made and just mentioned something in passing on Clinton. Meanwhile you ignored points about Biden too. Don't make it about me.

I'm not the hypocrite.
 
@FGG I agree with all your response. I just feel that the lower and middle class who have a job with home ownership and who don't qualify for public assistance have no safety net. The same for the retired that live on a fixed income.
 
Speculation:

1) The NY Attorney General's major announcement in 10 minutes will concern criminal findings in Trump's seized Deutsche Bank records.

2) His supporters won't care/will say it is fake news.

Edit: I was way off :).
I have to admit, I was hoping it was about the Trump Deutsche Bank Subpoenas since they recently announced that they had acquired his financial records.
Didn't the state AG just get Trump's financial records? If so, it would take weeks, maybe months, before they would announce that they will go over to prosecution, if given credible evidence of wrongdoing.

This is still a big story, right? It would mean a big deal in financial support and lobbying gun friendly politicians. It would be interesting to see the implications in US politics if the NRA was dissolved.
 
To be honest, I've seen so many right wingers use the "What about Clinton?" as an excuse, that I just assumed your position leaned towards defending Trump. I will apologize if I did not reveal hypocrisy on your end.

As far as the topic is concerned, I still disagree with you, and it mostly has to do with abuse culture. Both Trump and Clinton have plenty of behavioral patterns, very credible accusations (e.g. Trump's ex-wife), hard evidence (Access Hollywood - Trump, Lewinski - Clinton), and being close friends with Epstein. It is more than fair to speculate their involvement.

Where I would agree with you is if some random person without any evidence of abuse, was accused of abuse, it should be looked at and speculated upon more carefully. For example, I hate Ben Shapiro politically and think he lacks empathy, but there's nothing in his behavior or personal life that would make me suspect that he's committed sexual assault. Similarly, PizzaGate was 100% baseless. Trump and Bill Clinton land in a different region. Their behavior has brought the speculation upon them.

Sometimes MeToo goes a bit too far, but we have to come to terms with the fact that most abusers cover their tracks. It's so unlikely that rape is going to get caught in the act by someone in a position to take them down. Predators specifically find people that the public wouldn't believe. We shouldn't be afraid to speculate and raise attention to it when it is reasonable.
No, I don't defend him. I don't know what 'right wingers' or Republican voters in the U.S. do. If they do the same nonsense as you and other Marxists here do then then they are just as bad.

But, powerful leftists like Clinton and Biden get a free ride by the MSM and leftists like you and the rest here. I don't have to wait long to find some news source to tell me how bad Trump is. I know all of you can see the difference so c'mon, stop pretending, please.
 
You haven't condemned any of the leftist violence, ignored the points I made and just mentioned something in passing on Clinton. Meanwhile you ignored points about Biden too. Don't make it about me.

I'm not the hypocrite.
I have said that I don't agree with looting or unprovoked instigating BUT disagreed that it represented BLM as a whole. That's not "ignoring your points", it's not agreeing with you.

Re: Biden. He just seems like an overly affectionate, not recognizing personal space old man to me. But if you have some evidence he molested children by all means post it.

Will you condemn Dennis Hastert and the convinced Republican child sex offenders?
 
To be honest, I've seen so many right wingers use the "What about Clinton?" as an excuse, that I just assumed your position leaned towards defending Trump. I will apologize if I did not reveal hypocrisy on your end.

As far as the topic is concerned, I still disagree with you, and it mostly has to do with abuse culture. Both Trump and Clinton have plenty of behavioral patterns, very credible accusations (e.g. Trump's ex-wife), hard evidence (Access Hollywood - Trump, Lewinski - Clinton), and being close friends with Epstein. It is more than fair to speculate their involvement.

Where I would agree with you is if some random person without any evidence of abuse, was accused of abuse, it should be looked at and speculated upon more carefully. For example, I hate Ben Shapiro politically and think he lacks empathy, but there's nothing in his behavior or personal life that would make me suspect that he's committed sexual assault. Similarly, PizzaGate was 100% baseless. Trump and Bill Clinton land in a different region. Their behavior has brought the speculation upon them.

Sometimes MeToo goes a bit too far, but we have to come to terms with the fact that most abusers cover their tracks. It's so unlikely that rape is going to get caught in the act by someone in a position to take them down. Predators specifically find people that the public wouldn't believe. We shouldn't be afraid to speculate and raise attention to it when it is reasonable.
Read this article but mostly the comment at the end.

https://filmdaily.co/news/jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump/

That seems to come up time and time again. They are all scum, imho, but it sounds like Clinton and other other high profile people continued the friendship or whatever you call it long after Trump severed ties.

They are all guilty and it's pathetic that citizens support marxism and status quo politics... meaning you're okay with either or.

It's bad enough in Canada. I don't know how enlightened people in the USA put up with it.
 
You haven't condemned any of the leftist violence, ignored the points I made and just mentioned something in passing on Clinton. Meanwhile you ignored points about Biden too. Don't make it about me.

I'm not the hypocrite.
This whole post literally describes Pete, not FGG -- am I alone in being completely bemused by this??? I genuinely think it might be trolling. Can't believe the name calling has started up again after all of 5 minutes. Thread is unreadable again.
 
I have said that I don't agree with looting or unprovoked instigating BUT disagreed that it represented BLM as a whole. That's not "ignoring your points", it's not agreeing with you.

Re: Biden. He just seems like an overly affectionate, not recognizing personal space old man to me. But if you have some evidence he molested children by all means post it.

Will you condemn Dennis Hastert and the convinced Republican child sex offenders?
BLM's founders are MARXISTS and several of them have condoned and advocated violence especially towards whites. Your disagreement indicates you also support it.

Your nonsense in trying to get me to condemn the Republicans is wearing thin. Of course, I do but what is your point? You are grasping for straws. I have made it clear I don't support either mainstream Democrats or Republicans and said the system is a farce. I sure am not going to support anyone who has skeletons like that so it's pointless asking me about it.
 
I have to admit, I was hoping it was about the Trump Deutsche Bank Subpoenas since they recently announced that they had acquired his financial records.
This doesn't seem like something we should be hoping for? A lot of pain and suffering would have resulted from actual wrong-doing.
 

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