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2020 US Presidential Election

I'm not surprised though. Who would you have picked? I would have liked Warren, but from a strategy perspective, I don't think Kamala is so bad.
Personally, I would have have gone for a more progressive candidate (Warren, Bass). I am not only saying that because I'm biased as a social democrat , but it is purely a strategic consideration. If you want to have widespread influence in national politics, it's important to find a balance in how you want to attract as many different strides of the society by choosing the right president + VP, but also the right platform.

For one thing, I agree with Biden's decision that the VP should be a woman and POC if there's a suitable person who fits these criteria. It makes the party more representative. It has the psychological factor that most people will be more susceptible in voting for a party that has politicians who look like them, talk like them, etc. These voters are considered low information seekers, which is perhaps the most important electorate (=large portion electorate) to have in trying to win an election. To make it clear, low information seekers is a political science term for voters who are drawn to issues as appearance, media presence, charisma, etc. anyway, not policy based per se.

Another consideration is attracting voters who also value policy (high information seeker). These are the kind of voters who try to reflect, analyse and compare information from different media sources, political programmes, etc. It is a substantial part of the electorate that you also need to consider. In a winner takes it all contest like the American presidential elections, it is important to have a platform that gets as many voters from different strides as possible in order to win. A big tent organisation like the Democratic Party represents many political strides and thus has the capacity to attract a wide audience.

However, during election time, it is crucial that the party sends the message to people that they represent their ideals. In order to do that, they need a platform that is balanced between a wide appeal (representing the interests of many people, like working class, middle class, POC, etc.) & ideologically consistency (sending a clear message that all Democratic representatives want to make healthcare accessible to all, for example). Finding this balance is crucial, but it cannot be done if you have political leadership that represents only one group (centrist New Democrats) within a big tent organisation like the Dems. If you choose someone like Kamala Harris, who in my opinion shares almost the same view as JB, you risk alienating a big portion of the party (1/3 caucus Dems and potentially 1/6 electorate).

This winner takes it all mentality will only maintain the division in us vs. them (establishment) and will not serve the party in the long term (e.g. risk of voters going to the Greens, form own party or more conflict in the party between progressives and centrist in deciding direction of party). This already happened in the Obama/Clinton pro corporate centrist era and it helped pave the way to a Trump administration. Let's hope the Dems have learned their lesson.
 
Personally, I would have have gone for a more progressive candidate (Warren, Bass). I am not only saying that because I'm biased as a social democrat , but it is purely a strategic consideration. If you want to have widespread influence in national politics, it's important to find a balance in how you want to attract as many different strides of the society by choosing the right president + VP, but also the right platform.

For one thing, I agree with Biden's decision that the VP should be a woman and POC if there's a suitable person who fits these criteria. It makes the party more representative. It has the psychological factor that most people will be more susceptible in voting for a party that has politicians who look like them, talk like them, etc. These voters are considered low information seekers, which is perhaps the most important electorate (=large portion electorate) to have in trying to win an election. To make it clear, low information seekers is a political science term for voters who are drawn to issues as appearance, media presence, charisma, etc. anyway, not policy based per se.

Another consideration is attracting voters who also value policy (high information seeker). These are the kind of voters who try to reflect, analyse and compare information from different media sources, political programmes, etc. It is a substantial part of the electorate that you also need to consider. In a winner takes it all contest like the American presidential elections, it is important to have a platform that gets as many voters from different strides as possible in order to win. A big tent organisation like the Democratic Party represents many political strides and thus has the capacity to attract a wide audience.

However, during election time, it is crucial that the party sends the message to people that they represent their ideals. In order to do that, they need a platform that is balanced between a wide appeal (representing the interests of many people, like working class, middle class, POC, etc.) & ideologically consistency (sending a clear message that all Democratic representatives want to make healthcare accessible to all, for example). Finding this balance is crucial, but it cannot be done if you have political leadership that represents only one group (centrist New Democrats) within a big tent organisation like the Dems. If you choose someone like Kamala Harris, who in my opinion shares almost the same view as JB, you risk alienating a big portion of the party (1/3 caucus Dems and potentially 1/6 electorate).

This winner takes it all mentality will only maintain the division in us vs. them (establishment) and will not serve the party in the long term (e.g. risk of voters going to the Greens, form own party or more conflict in the party between progressives and centrist in deciding direction of party). This already happened in the Obama/Clinton pro corporate centrist era and it helped pave the way to a Trump administration. Let's hope the Dems have learned their lesson.
I wonder if any part of the DNC is reacting to Trump's talking points with Harris' pick. Ie trying to make it even more obvious how absurd Trump's notion is that Biden is far left by picking the most centrist running mate possible. Which, if that's any part of their strategy, is ill conceived because those voters were not going to vote for Biden anyway.

Most likely though, Biden and the DNC probably wanted someone on the same page as him/them. The donors would certainly want that, too and rich donors vastly prefer neo-liberalism to progressivism.
 
If I was president, the country would crumble in minutes. I would pick a materialist to be VP and @Contrast would start a revolution.
I am 99% more concerned with political issues surrounding the legality of ecommerce scams and issues relating to digital privacy and ethics. Alternative threefirefour and me would be good running mates because he forces me to think critically by challenging my assumptions.
 
Let's hope the Dems have learned their lesson.
I mean, they probably haven't. Unfortunately, as much as I agree with you, I think Harris might have been his best option politically. She's a black woman, which is what the identity politics voters wanted. Which makes sense, I just wish she didn't have such strong ties to police unions, and was actually, you know, progressive.
 
Well. I didn't expect to see homophobic apologists on this thread. There is literally zero justification for being against gay marriage; this is not a nuanced topic. What a joke. Of all of the topics in politics that can have multiple angles, we pick the one about two human beings loving each other and harming no one. Maybe this thread is worthless.
Just to make clear, I have no problem with it myself. Live and let live I say.

However, and this is where we seem to differ, I can see other people's side of things. This is not to say I agree with them, but I can see where other people are coming from. This is not apologising for their views in my opinion, but simply trying to understand them.

What is interesting is that some gay people are against it, eg my mother's hairdresser who is gay is vehemently against it. No idea why.

Anyway, it can be a polarising subject, so I will leave it at that.
 
Anything will be better than Donald Trump.
Kinda? If we get a president that just recreates the same conditions that led to Trumpism, we'll just see a newer, better version of it take it's place. I worry that whatever cretin is molded to do it will be much more actively authoritarian, rather than just a soft skinned narcissist. Trump is bad. What Trump has shown the authoritarian leaning is possible, is even worse.
 
Kinda? If we get a president that just recreates the same conditions that led to Trumpism, we'll just see a newer, better version of it take it's place. I worry that whatever cretin is molded to do it will be much more actively authoritarian, rather than just a soft skinned narcissist. Trump is bad. What Trump has shown the authoritarian leaning is possible, is even worse.
If things go awry for JB, this guy is next in line in 2024. You can take my word for it.
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I wonder if any part of the DNC is reacting to Trump's talking points with Harris' pick. Ie trying to make it even more obvious how absurd Trump's notion is that Biden is far left by picking the most centrist running mate possible. Which, if that's any part of their strategy, is ill conceived because those voters were not going to vote for Biden anyway.

Most likely though, Biden and the DNC probably wanted someone on the same page as him/them. The donors would certainly want that, too and rich donors vastly prefer neo-liberalism to progressivism.
That is also a game theory principle called the median voter theorem. It's highly questionable that you can win election in a majority rule voting system if you move to the centre where supposedly the most voters are. In practice, most people do not know what centrism means or identify themselves strongly with the centrist principles.

We've seen that parts Trumpland can be turned blue by focusing on economic populism, like Lee Carter, a democratic socialist who earned a seat in the Virginia house of delegates. Unfortunately, it's often an uphill battle for progressives to fight off moderates/centrists in red states, because their opponents receive mostly a disproportionate amount in campaign funds via the party & PAC. F.e. Charles Booker was very close in Kentucky to win the democratic primaries, but he was completely overpowered by Amy McGrath's campaign budget (400.000 dollars vs. 20.000.000 dollars). If both candidates were given an equal budget, that would certainly change the game.
 
Identity politics thrives when there actually are those on the other side who fits the mold of a stereotypical bigot rather than SJWs painting all white males that way reverse-racism style. Trump is pretty close to just that--hiding behind little more than a thin skin of plausible deniability. As such it makes perfect sense to have a VP candidate who will make it difficult for Trump to maintain his plausibly deniable act. At the same time, having a VP candidate that supports defunding or disbanding the police is a liability. There aren't enough voters who support that, not even among liberals.
 
I read all your links. The evidence in your links is, she's close to her dad who despite not being a Marxist himself wasn't as "anti Marxist as other professors at the time", she is pro or at least does not oppose BLM and supports Medicare for all and the Green New Deal.

Oh and that she doesn't call herself a "democratic socialist" which your link mentioned must mean she's some other kind of hidden socialist... like a "Marxist".

It then goes on to say she will be as "bad of a Marxist as Obama".

So at this point, I have to ask. Do you consider Obama a Marxist?
 
So, I haven't followed any political issues or news except YouTube as it exploded with the Biden's new VP choice, Kamala Harris. Aside from that, what's the current view of the two contenders, Biden vs Trump?
 
I could see Tucker Carlson. He already has the cult of personality. Fake populist millionaire heir.
I agree, Carlson can be a bridge between the liberal conservatives and the neoliberal nationalists within the party. He has the talk and the walk to amplify a unifying message on the right. Sometimes he looks presidential enough to be taken seriously, but oh lord, watch when someone calls him out for being a hypocrite (a millionaire paid by millionaires, not a populist who he himself claims to be), like my compatriot & historian Rutger Bregman pointed during their interview on Fox:



Edit: Fox didn't air the interview because Bregman's criticism laid bare the negative influence of corporate money in politics and especially the role that Fox and Carlson have played in diverting people from real issues like tax avoidance. Bregman has eventually decided to release the interview on the internet.
 
So, I haven't followed any political issues or news except YouTube as it exploded with the Biden's new VP choice, Kamala Harris. Aside from that, what's the current view of the two contenders, Biden vs Trump?
Depends on who you ask.
 
Slightly off topic, but who has for you been the best US president in your lifetime and why? The same for the worst.
Interesting question. It would be up to the Americans to advise from a domestic point of view, but from an international standpoint GWB Jr was a disaster for the UK, working alongside our second worst PM Blair (the top honour still has to go to Ms Thatcher, of course).

Best president -- I dunno, Obama probably. Although I don't like him much either.
 
Slightly off topic, but who has for you been the best US president in your lifetime and why? The same for the worst.
In my lifetime, I admire Jimmy Carter the most as a person though I was too young to remember him during his presidency. He supported civil rights and environmentalism and continues to be a humanitarian in his retirement. He's particularly focused on poverty and medical issues and because of his foundation, they will eradicate the Guinea Worm which I find pretty inspiring.

Trump is the worst. No contest.
 

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