2020 US Presidential Election

[Luman]

"The Democrats are playing you for a political chump and if you vote for them, not only are you a chump, you are a traitor to your race."

Who said this? Was it President Trump, or one of his supporters?

The above quote was said by Malcolm X, two days before he was assassinated.

 

[FGG]

"The Democrats are playing you for a political chump and if you vote for them, not only are you a chump, you are a traitor to your race."

Who said this? Was it President Trump, or one of his supporters?

The above quote was said by Malcolm X, two days before he was assassinated.

He was very anti establishment parties and despised both of them and thought neither did justice to black Americans.

I don't disagree with him at all, I wish 3rd parties were actually viable but this is too important of an election not to vote for the far lessor evil.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@Zugzug From my last post, this is a single issue that I do have a problem with. I don't think that many with a disability, black, white or other who is not wealthy and powerful is treated fair. This non fairness would include all in politics that mandate our laws.

One of the largest member groups here is over 55 years of age. Many within this group don't appear to post often and there be tinnitus severity and physical reasons as a reason why. Most nursing homes have serious violations, unless one can afford to pay large sums out of pocket. What about a younger person that gets disabled. I can remember when I received severe tinnitus and I knew that I was not capable being around crying babies within an employment hospital. Hospital are loud and most employees need to carry a phone.

I like this wide open though thread discussion, but I don't believe that any politician is not controlled. With that, the issues are complicated, but one issue that should not be is disability fairness.

 

[Daniel Lion]

Hi @Daniel Lion, nice to hear that you like my country. You're more than welcome to visit my place if you have the time to visit the Netherlands. Lot's of cycling paths around here. So, does your brother still live in the Netherlands btw?

I didn't know about the bombing in Laos. We al know the stories about Cambodia (Khmer rouge) and Vietnam (Vietcong) and that they were a socialist ''threat'' for Western countries, but Laos? There's so much that we don't know about history. Anyway, I need to look into it

Sounds like Laos has everything in control. It must be a huge relief that you have such a competent government.

Thanks for the invite and you are welcome here if you are ever in the neighborhood, and yes my big brother still lives in Holland.

Crazy how little any of us know about history. Very few people know about Laos and its bombing history. I just learned recently about South Korea's presence in the Vietnam War. I learned about that looking at sculptures. They had donated a sculpture in apology for a massacre there, it's called the Pieta of Vietnam. I didn't know about massacres in Oklahoma or Chicago last century of African Americans. Etc.. there is so much we don't know.

It is good to be here, this place is so chill. The kids had a good day at school and I have a lot to be grateful for despite bad tinnitus. My wife, extended family and the village I live in wouldn't understand this thread and the fact that folks would willingly argue or debate each other the way we do. I am not saying their way is better, it's just different, and they like any society have their own problems. Things are very simple and slow here generally. People like to grow vegetables and raise chickens and ducks. They don't like being alone, they like going to temple, eating bamboo soup and many folks like drinking beer.

I would love to get my kids back to the United States for their higher education but it's not economically possible for me now.

I miss my friends and family and the Massachusetts weather, it's hot here. I do hope that the violence and misunderstandings can be resolved back at home... it's gonna take listening, compassion and love on all sides for his to happen.

 

[Tanni]

"The Democrats are playing you for a political chump and if you vote for them, not only are you a chump, you are a traitor to your race."

Who said this? Was it President Trump, or one of his supporters?

The above quote was said by Malcolm X, two days before he was assassinated.

You've presented this quote without context, so not sure what point you are using it to make? Surely not that Malcolm X wanted people to vote Republican???

His point was that no political party supported the rights of African Americans -- including the Democrats who made false promises for votes and didn't keep them -- and if this continued, revolution was needed to overturn the whole system. Something along the lines of the BLM protests perhaps?

The speech is called The Ballot or the Bullet, if anyone wants the context.

 

[Luman]

He was very anti establishment parties and despised both of them and thought neither did justice to black Americans.

I don't disagree with him at all, I wish 3rd parties were actually viable but this is too important of an election not to vote for the far lessor evil.

A little history of Democrats and race relations:
The Democrats fought to expand slavery while Republicans fought to end it. *
Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. *
Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws. *
Democrats fought to keep blacks in slavery and away from the polls, and they started the Clan to terrorize them. *
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia is well known for having been a "Keagle" in the Clan. *
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage. *
Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans. * Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks. *
Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913. *
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Clan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama. *
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Clan in Kansas City in 1922. *
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching. *
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces. *
Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. *
Democrat public safety commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators. *
Democrats were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting. *
Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox "brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant. *
Democrat Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever. *
Democrat Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.*
Democrat Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act. *
Democrat President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King. *
Democrat President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI. *
Democrat President Bill Clinton's mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Democrat and a supporter of racial segregation. *
Democrat President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67. *
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision. *
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964. *
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
What have the Democrats ever done for anyone in America?

 

[FGG]

A little history of Democrats and race relations:
The Democrats fought to expand slavery while Republicans fought to end it. *
Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. *
Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws. *
Democrats fought to keep blacks in slavery and away from the polls, and they started the Clan to terrorize them. *
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia is well known for having been a "Keagle" in the Clan. *
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage. *
Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans. * Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks. *
Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913. *
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Clan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama. *
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Clan in Kansas City in 1922. *
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching. *
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces. *
Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. *
Democrat public safety commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators. *
Democrats were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting. *
Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox "brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant. *
Democrat Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever. *
Democrat Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.*
Democrat Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act. *
Democrat President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King. *
Democrat President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI. *
Democrat President Bill Clinton's mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Democrat and a supporter of racial segregation. *
Democrat President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67. *
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision. *
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964. *
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
What have the Democrats ever done for anyone in America?

This is what the Lincoln Project have been saying. The Republicans *used* to be the party of civil rights and they would like to see Trumpism gone and return to it.

I don't think the Dems have a great track record on that in recent history. Clinton's 3 strikes rule put a lot of young black people in jail for life for consecutive marijuana offenses which is insane and disproportionately affected poor black kids because the white kids were not stopped and searched the same way.

That's why I hope the party embraces the progressive wing more (Bernie, AOC).

As I said before, if Trump wasn't so terrible I would honestly sit this one out.

 

[Luman]

This is what the Lincoln Project have been saying. The Republicans *used* to be the party of civil rights and they would like to see Trumpism gone and return to it.

I don't think the Dems have a great track record on that in recent history. Clinton's 3 strikes rule put a lot of young black people in jail for life for consecutive marijuana offenses which is insane and disproportionately affected poor black kids because the white kids were not stopped and searched the same way.

That's why I hope the party embraces the progressive wing more (Bernie, AOC).

As I said before, if Trump wasn't so terrible I would honestly sit this one out.

My feeling is, Lincoln should have either let the South secede, or worked on some kind of plan to end slavery over time, the way it was done in the North, only faster. I say this not as a Southerner, of which I am not, but simply because we would have been better off to not have fought the Civil War, which would have saved 750,000 soldiers from both sides, who perished, leaving millions of fatherless children, hundreds of thousands of widows, and millions of injured and shell shocked boys and men.

Trump would not be the president today, had this conflict been handled peacefully, and intelligently.

 

[Born To Slay]

A little history of Democrats and race relations:
The Democrats fought to expand slavery while Republicans fought to end it. *
Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. *
Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws. *
Democrats fought to keep blacks in slavery and away from the polls, and they started the Clan to terrorize them. *
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia is well known for having been a "Keagle" in the Clan. *
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage. *
Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans. * Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks. *
Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913. *
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Clan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama. *
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Clan in Kansas City in 1922. *
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching. *
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces. *
Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. *
Democrat public safety commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators. *
Democrats were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting. *
Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox "brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant. *
Democrat Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever. *
Democrat Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.*
Democrat Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act. *
Democrat President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King. *
Democrat President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI. *
Democrat President Bill Clinton's mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Democrat and a supporter of racial segregation. *
Democrat President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67. *
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision. *
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964. *
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
What have the Democrats ever done for anyone in America?

It's incredible how old most of that is. I could just as easily list positive stuff some Democrats did. Like LBJ passing the civil rights act and the voting rights act. I think black peoples probably liked those things. As well as Medicare, Medicaid and the elementary and secondary education act. Those were helpful to Americans of all colors.

LBJ isn't the only one, FDR with a massive dem majority brought about the new deal which included social security. So historically, Dems have done quite a bit. Almost every popular program in America was enacted by a democratic president and mostly democratic votes in congress.

 

[Lane]

A Trump supporter made a comment on the NBC news broadcast this evening that, to me, deserves an A+ for honesty and transparency. If you go the NBC website, and click on the 1:39 min. video clip, you'll hear a white woman say to Trump (if I heard it correctly): "Keep doing what you're doing; keep standing up for our country; keep standing up for our race."

Trump's visit to Kenosha draws mixed reaction from residents

 

[Juan]

This video worries me too... very scary to see this guy punching a girl full force in the head... how he is a hero to some is jut as baffling... One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. Amazing that the guy who was paralyzed after being shot up was cuffed to his hospital bed and this guy who shot and killed two people was able to go home.

It seems any psychopath can become a police officer in the US... and can also buy weapons.

It's ironic in the US pretty much anyone can buy a gun but a doctor will not prescribe prednisone (just prednisone!) to people who suffer from tinnitus or hyperacusis.

 

[Luman]

Has everybody seen the viral video of Nancy Pelosi, without a mask, in a hair salon, which is supposed to be closed to everybody in California? Another example of "Do as I say, not as I do", by a top Democrat. Trump is winning, and it's not hard to see why.

 

[aot]

My feeling is, Lincoln should have either let the South secede, or worked on some kind of plan to end slavery over time, the way it was done in the North, only faster. I say this not as a Southerner, of which I am not, but simply because we would have been better off to not have fought the Civil War, which would have saved 750,000 soldiers from both sides, who perished, leaving millions of fatherless children, hundreds of thousands of widows, and millions of injured and shell shocked boys and men.

Trump would not be the president today, had this conflict been handled peacefully, and intelligently.

Granted, it's been a while since my last History class, but the South attacked first, did they not? Was Lincoln just supposed to let that slide?

Furthermore, though Lincoln himself opposed slavery, he made it clear several times that his main priority was keeping the Union intact. And The South tried to secede regardless.

Also, I feel that Trump's presence in the White House today stems more from Johnson's absolute botching of reconstruction.

 

[FGG]

My feeling is, Lincoln should have either let the South secede, or worked on some kind of plan to end slavery over time, the way it was done in the North, only faster. I say this not as a Southerner, of which I am not, but simply because we would have been better off to not have fought the Civil War, which would have saved 750,000 soldiers from both sides, who perished, leaving millions of fatherless children, hundreds of thousands of widows, and millions of injured and shell shocked boys and men.

Trump would not be the president today, had this conflict been handled peacefully, and intelligently.

I have heard this argument before from quite a few conservatives but this was the reality of slavery:

-- slaves' children were often taken from them and sold, never to be seen again.

-- entire generations never knew a day of freedom

-- it was not uncommon for young black women to be raped, either by their captures or forced to breed for profit.

-- physical violence was not universal but not uncommon.

-- slavery itself, even in the best of circumstance is about the most abhorrent thing there is.

To your first option: "just let the south secede", would mean continuing this practice perhaps indefinitely.

Not only that, but slavery in the South only benefited the few wealthy plantation owners and resulted in a wealth inequality for everyone else (and White southerners in former slave states are much poorer than white people elsewhere even generations later).

As to your 750,000 dead statistic. There were *millions* of slaves living in the US. Their lives matter too. What about them? Why should anyone have died to fight for rich plantation owners. They were pawns of the rich. The same ones that are sent to die to make others wealthy today only now it's just war profiteering and not fighting to defend wealthy plantation owners exploitive lifestyle.

I say this all as a Southerner myself who had ancestors in the civil war, btw.

I also disagree with your idea that if slavery were allowed to end gradually, there would be less race related conflict now. I actually see less racism back home than I did when I lived in Chicago. The educated people in the South are at least ashamed enough of the brutal history to never want to see it repeated ("y'all means all" is a popular meme here now) just like (hopefully most) Germans now abhor nationalism and racism.

 

[FGG]

Has everybody seen the viral video of Nancy Pelosi, without a mask, in a hair salon, which is supposed to be closed to everybody in California? Another example of "Do as I say, not as I do", by a top Democrat. Trump is winning, and it's not hard to see why.

Pelosi is part of why democrats lose. AOC (among others in the progressive wing) was pushing to have her replaced last cycle but of course that went nowhere.

I think she remains because democrats seem to overvalue seniority and because she obviously is very well connected in politics and funding which is needed. I think she is ineffectual and occasionally hypocritical.

Comparing past and present tweets, Trump is way more hypocritical:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrumpCriticizesTrump

But his base don't care so it will definitely hurt Pelosi more.

 

[Born To Slay]

It seems any psychopath can become a police officer in the US... and can also buy weapons.

It's ironic in the US pretty much anyone can buy a gun but a doctor will not prescribe prednisone (just prednisone!) to people who suffer from tinnitus or hyperacusis.

Like for real, where's the freedom for people who need medical help?

 

[PeteJ]

Granted, it's been a while since my last History class, but the South attacked first, did they not? Was Lincoln just supposed to let that slide?

Furthermore, though Lincoln himself opposed slavery, he made it clear several times that his main priority was keeping the Union intact. And The South tried to secede regardless.

Also, I feel that Trump's presence in the White House today stems more from Johnson's absolute botching of reconstruction.

Um, no. Are you American?

 

[PeteJ]

Like for real, where's the freedom for people who need medical help?

I thought you can get Prednisone in the USA? That's the impression I had.

Canada has one of the strictest gun control laws in the world but it is rare to get Prednisone for acoustic trauma.

How do you explain that?

 

[WillBeNimble]

Also, I feel that Trump's presence in the White House today stems more from Johnson's absolute botching of reconstruction.

I'd argue most of our societal problems today come from the botching of reconstruction, and leniency provided to traitors with the idea they would act in the best interest of the country. We won the war, only to turn our back on the actual battle, because the north won it's victory and the slaves were "freed".

 

[Juan]

Like for real, where's the freedom for people who need medical help?

In many other countries people can just get the medication they need over the counter, including prednisone. In Spain in theory a doctor has to prescribe it, but in reality the pharmacy will just sell it over the counter if you say you don't feel well and need it for hearing issues.

I read about the US healthcare system and it does not seem to me there is a lot of "freedom" in that country...

 

[Born To Slay]

I thought you can get Prednisone in the USA? That's the impression I had.

Canada has one of the strictest gun control laws in the world but it is rare to get Prednisone for acoustic trauma.

How do you explain that?

I mean, it's probably easier for some to get it than others but in general, it's not easy. Especially to get a higher dose.

Also, he wasn't saying there's a relationship between the two, just that it's ironic that in most ways in America, there's relatively little regulation (compared to other first world countries at least) and yet you can't get a fairly harmless drug.

 

[FGG]

Granted, it's been a while since my last History class, but the South attacked first, did they not? Was Lincoln just supposed to let that slide?

Furthermore, though Lincoln himself opposed slavery, he made it clear several times that his main priority was keeping the Union intact. And The South tried to secede regardless.

Also, I feel that Trump's presence in the White House today stems more from Johnson's absolute botching of reconstruction.

The way I learned it, the Southern armies staged a siege at Ft. Sumter, SC and then a battle resulted, eventually escalating into a full war.

 

[Born To Slay]

In many other countries people can just get the medication they need over the counter, including prednisone. In Spain in theory a doctor has to prescribe it, but in reality the pharmacy will just sell it over the counter if you say you don't feel well and need it for hearing issues.

I read about the US healthcare system and it does not seem to me there is a lot of "freedom" in that country...

There isn't. Americans say we're free here but it's a hoax.

 

[Tanni]

Um, no. Are you American?

Actually, @aot is correct.

Just goes to show how much misinformation is being given out by certain people on this thread, who are utterly confident in their assertions.

 

[all to gain]

It seems any psychopath can become a police officer in the US... and can also buy weapons.

When you consider the following it's hardly surprising:

"Americans made up 4 percent of the world's population but owned about 46 percent of the entire global stock of 857 million civilian firearms." U.S civilians own 393 million guns. American civilians own more guns "than those held by civilians in the other top 25 countries combined."

"American civilians own nearly 100 times as many firearms as the U.S. military and nearly 400 times as many as law enforcement." Americans bought more than 2 million guns in May 2018, alone.

It's ironic in the US pretty much anyone can buy a gun but a doctor will not prescribe prednisone (just prednisone!) to people who suffer from tinnitus or hyperacusis.

Meanwhile I can just walk in to any pharmacy and buy it over the counter here. I don't know if that's good or not though? All the same, I have a stash at home just in case I lose hearing and want to get on it as quickly as possible.

 

[Zugzug]

Has everybody seen the viral video of Nancy Pelosi, without a mask, in a hair salon, which is supposed to be closed to everybody in California? Another example of "Do as I say, not as I do", by a top Democrat. Trump is winning, and it's not hard to see why.

All of the Trump-enabled hypocrisy over the last 4 years, and I'm supposed to offset this with Nancy Pelosi getting her hair done. Actually, not even offset. I'm supposed to "easily see why he's winning" over this.

Cognitive dissonance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

"According to this theory, when two actions or ideas are not psychologically consistent with each other, people do all in their power to change them until they become consistent.[1] The discomfort is triggered by the person's belief clashing with new information perceived, wherein they try to find a way to resolve the contradiction to reduce their discomfort."

The quote above would be an obvious example of this.

 

[Born To Slay]

Has everybody seen the viral video of Nancy Pelosi, without a mask, in a hair salon, which is supposed to be closed to everybody in California? Another example of "Do as I say, not as I do", by a top Democrat. Trump is winning, and it's not hard to see why.

Donald Trump is a massive hypocrite on everything possible. Nancy could never.

And hold up, Trump is on track to lose pretty badly according to most data. Biden's on track to win more than 300 electoral college votes, how's he winning?

 

[Luman]

Granted, it's been a while since my last History class, but the South attacked first, did they not? Was Lincoln just supposed to let that slide?

Furthermore, though Lincoln himself opposed slavery, he made it clear several times that his main priority was keeping the Union intact. And The South tried to secede regardless.

Also, I feel that Trump's presence in the White House today stems more from Johnson's absolute botching of reconstruction.

Lincoln wanted war and cleverly maneuvered the South to attack. The Confederacy took Fort Sumter, a battle in which nobody was killed or injured. Two Union soldiers died while on retreat, but that was due to a botched gun salute by their own troops, not firepower from the Confederacy. The Southern leaders did not expect there to be resistance, to their secession, much less a war. A few months after the largely symbolic attack on Fort Sumter, both sides prepared for a full scale war.

In my opinion, Lincoln was not the wonderful man that we are taught. He was a war monger, and I'd rank President Donald Trump as more deserving of admiration, simply due to the fact that he is not a hawk.

 

[Tanni]

Lincoln wanted war

For what reason?

 

[PeteJ]

I mean, it's probably easier for some to get it than others but in general, it's not easy. Especially to get a higher dose.

Also, he wasn't saying there's a relationship between the two, just that it's ironic that in most ways in America, there's relatively little regulation (compared to other first world countries at least) and yet you can't get a fairly harmless drug.

I know what he was saying.
What other first world countries?