2020 US Presidential Election

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Greg Sacramento said:
I collected sport and non sport cards cards since 1959. When I got a little older, I bought Topps cards 1952 -1955 thru ads in the newspaper for less than a dollar each. I started to sell some beginning in the 70's including Mantles, Mays and Aarons. I sold many Mantle 1952 rookies for a couple hundred each. Now they would be worth about 200,000 each.

I should had taken an easy, enjoyable and unstressed path thru life by becoming a sport card dealer and forgot above college and working long hours for others. If I did, I be worth millions and if I then invested that money I be so super rich. Although any riches would mean nothing to me with my state of health and not being able to leave my house.

When about 12-16, I dug in woods where the first American settlers outside of Boston lived, mostly near my house. No homes were still standing, just stones and square nails. I found a lot of valuable stuff and coins where I have since given most away. I use go to the historical society and look at maps to see where the first settlers lived. My biggest find was in a meadow in the woods just a couple hundred feet from my house. The first settler and his family in my area lived there. It was such a beautiful small meadow surrounded by woods. Now there's hundreds of homes and no more meadow or virgin woods.
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The images you describe reminds me of Concord, followed by Lexington or Lincoln Mass. Out Walden Pond way, David Thoreau's base camp.
 
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Daniel Lion said:
The images you describe reminds me of Concord, followed by Lexington or Lincoln Mass. Out Walden Pond way, David Thoreau's base camp.
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Been there and Walden Pond many times, but I lived just a bit West of that off Route 2. Would not have been able to find anything just outside of Boston, because those areas were populated quickly by settlers.

Here is the PSA website - card collecting. I think that some of my rookie Mantles that I had may have been PSA 6 and PSA 7 worthy. When I owned them years ago, they had no wear and corners were sharp. Many had great centering. I probably had about 1200 cards PSA graded, but I sold all of the superstars older than 1955 before PSA was in business.

https://www.psacard.com/
 
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It has so many beautiful places. I would love to do some family trips , camping, cycling, and hiking if my body , mind and money would let me. I have a few choice spots I could see moving to as well....in do time ATG
 
#2,105
Born To Slay said:
Personally, I think we should support progressives from both within and outside of the Democratic Party. I don't think we have to pick. Some progressives will run from within and some won't. As long as there's one progressive in the ballot, we can just vote for them.
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Ah, I see. It's sometimes better to bet on two horses. But don't you worry that the presence of a progressive party might split the vote on the left in purple battle grounds without ranked voting? I can imagine it would be far worse to have someone like Mitch McConnell (neoliberalism on steroids) than people like Amy McGrath (she's a KY moderate and willing to work across the aisle if elected), for example.
 
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Christiaan said:
Ah, I see. It's sometimes better to bet on two horses. But don't you worry that the presence of a progressive party might split the vote on the left in purple battle grounds without ranked voting? I can imagine it would be far worse to have someone like Mitch McConnell (neoliberalism on steroids) than people like Amy McGrath (she's a KY moderate and willing to work across the aisle if elected), for example.
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In a close election, then yes, the spoiler is real. But most congressional elections aren't actually competitive and most incumbents cake walk to reelection. So what I'd do is if I lived in a swing district, I'd vote for a centrist if I had to in the general but if I lived in a solid blue or red district (most of the country), I'd vote third party. And I'd vote progressive in the dem primary regardless of where I lived.
 
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I can't really tell if this is the intro of Blade Runner 2049 or San Francisco from a few days ago. I really do hope that if Biden wins, he will implement a more green friendly energy policy. Trump has already successfully pressured Biden to stay away from any reference to the left or socialism (e.g. he already said he won't ban fracking), so it's up to progressives to demand from him that he needs to stick to the platform that is proposed by the Biden-Sanders task force.

 
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Christiaan said:
I can't really tell if this is the intro of Blade Runner 2049 or San Francisco from a few days ago. I really do hope that if Biden wins, he will implement a more green friendly energy policy. Trump has already successfully pressured Biden to stay away from any reference to the left or socialism (e.g. he already said he won't ban fracking), so it's up to progressives to demand from him that he needs to stick to the platform that is proposed by the Biden-Sanders task force.
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Photo of the Year for sure:

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Luman said:
Trump jumps on offer to have Joe Rogan moderate debate with Joe Biden

Sept. 14, 2020
https://nypost.com/2020/09/14/trump-accepts-offer-from-joe-rogan-to-moderate-debate-with-biden/
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Why would Biden agree to a debate when Rogan says he's pro-Trump?

Also, it's weird that previously Rogan was pro-Bernie. I have to wonder if he actually has political values or just wants the fame/views because those two candidates are completely polar opposite.

Or maybe this explains it:

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-kn...cklash-for-laughing-about-his-friend-coercing

Rogan would probably rather have a culture where that's ok.
 
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#2,116
GlennS said:
Not exactly. There have been legitimate questions about vote tampering since the LAST election. There are now fresh reports of foreign interference, not to mention Trump's own sabotage via his attacks on mail-in voting.

It's a double-edged sword but given Trump's polling numbers he must feel that sowing doubt about the election (ANY doubt) is more likely to benefit him (in the case of a loss). That's because if the election is deemed FUBAR he feels entitled to just stay in the white-house the same way declaring a mistrial buys you more time if you're standing accused of a serious crime.

Consider what happened in 2000 with the hanging chads. I think the system favors the incumbent, and certainly so given the current makeup of the legislature and the stacked court-system.

The GOP some time ago decided to game the system in a brazen way that founding fathers never anticipated. This is the result of a party that is all too aware that demographic trends don't bode well and so rather than try to evolve their platform to widen their tent they have to reach for these tricks. Take that too far (as we tend to see in banana republics) and this is how revolutions start.
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For me it is the same, and the answer "not exactly" sums it all up. People can dish out calling other people's answers something but then defend themselves when they themselves when they do exactly the same by saying "it's not the same".

We all do it, but some way more than others.
 
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all to gain said:
For me it is the same, and the answer "not exactly" sums it all up. People can dish out calling other people's answers something but then defend themselves when they themselves when they do exactly the same by saying "it's not the same".
We all do it, but some way more than others.
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Sorry but sometimes objectivity really DOES favor one side or the other. This whole "all truth is subjective" thing leads us to Orwell doublespeak, and well, we're kind of already living in a post-truth era. Conceding that we're living in a post-truth era doesn't mean I personally believe there is no objective truth.
 
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Biden is a Punk, Don't be a Chump: Vote for Trump!

How's that for a campaign slogan?
 
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FGG said:
Why would Biden agree to a debate when Rogan says he's pro-Trump?
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Because Rogan is willing to actually debate rather than play "gotcha" like Fox News interviews.

I don't see eye-to-eye on a lot of Rogan's politics but I respect that he is an independent thinker who doesn't merely slot into some pre-programmed belief-system.
all to gain said:
We all get old, and this is not an attack on Biden, but the Dems have lost all sense of reality by voting for him.
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Why? One can make much more of a case that Republicans shoot themselves in the foot more by supporting Trump than Dems supporting Biden.
 
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My main problem with Bernie accepting Rogan's endorsement is that it exposes hypocrisy. All I ever hear from Progressives is how "weak" the Democratic party is (despite a successful impeachment, with the lack of political change not being their fault) and how they don't call out Trump enough, unlike them. Well, it's a funny thing about purity tests. Joe Rogan fails all of them. With that being said, some of what Rogan says is asinine, but not he's not like a totally irredeemable human being at every level. I am interested in his platform sometimes.

Regarding the question above about Progressives and centrist liberals, they need to learn that they need each other. Bernie would not be viable at all if he didn't join the party of Obama in 2016, making his platform look less insane. At the same rate, Bernie brings a level of honesty over the real corruption issues that the Democratic party lacks. I don't want to see an extreme solution to this problem. Have them duke it out on an individual basis. The centrists and progressives need each other, while the party of Trump is just a waste of time.
 
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Luman said:
Biden is a Punk, Don't be a Chump: Vote for Trump!

How's that for a campaign slogan?
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Not bad, the words do rhyme. I'l send that by my 7 year old who's reading Dr. Seuss now.

My eldest liked Trump because of "Like a Boss" YouTube videos. You should check it out, seriously, I think you may like them as well.
Just punch in, Trump Like a Boss... enjoy.
 
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Zugzug said:
My main problem with Bernie accepting Rogan's endorsement is that it exposes hypocrisy. All I ever hear from Progressives is how "weak" the Democratic party is (despite a successful impeachment, with the lack of political change not being their fault) and how they don't call out Trump enough, unlike them. Well, it's a funny thing about purity tests. Joe Rogan fails all of them. With that being said, some of what Rogan says is asinine, but not he's not like a totally irredeemable human being at every level. I am interested in his platform sometimes.

Regarding the question above about Progressives and centrist liberals, they need to learn that they need each other. Bernie would not be viable at all if he didn't join the party of Obama in 2016, making his platform look less insane. At the same rate, Bernie brings a level of honesty over the real corruption issues that the Democratic party lacks. I don't want to see an extreme solution to this problem. Have them duke it out on an individual basis. The centrists and progressives need each other, while the party of Trump is just a waste of time.
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Joe's sponge cake with a six pack, sorry I wasn't more eloquent. He's lukewarm milk but he gets all the celebrities and some important journalists and thinkers. I'm probably just jealous... he's filthy rich, is tinnitus free, vapes the best herbs everyday and gets to talk about his car collection.

All joking aside, why have debates?

Can you have "debates" that are just 2 minute sound bites in the TV age?

Everybody has made up their mind as is clear on this thread.

Do the elections change anything? Innocent question. I honestly don't know anymore, never did "know" with conviction as some friends and family do.
 
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Born To Slay said:
Punk and chump don't even rhyme.

And also, considering Trump's personality, it's kinda ironic that the slogan calls Biden a punk.
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Then where is Biden, other than hiding in his basement?

The punk and the pork: Biden and Harris.
 
#2,128
Born To Slay said:
Not out risking people's lives at campaign rallies? He just gave an in person interview to Jake Tapper. He's not just in his basement anymore.
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Too late, he's a goner. Nobody likes or wants Biden, he's only getting votes because so many people hate Trump. He (Biden) may do OK in the first debate, but let's see how his endurance holds for the others.

The best thing for the Democrats to do, right now, is to start working on finding an appropriate candidate, for 2024.
 
#2,129
Luman said:
Too late, he's a goner.

The best thing for the Democrats to do, right now, is start working on finding an appropriate candidate for 2024.
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It's too late when he's currently winning? Biden's way up in the polls right now. Do you have any evidence to support the notion that he's not only losing but a goner?
 
#2,130
Luman said:
Too late, he's a goner. Nobody likes or wants Biden, he's only getting votes because so many people hate Trump. He (Biden) may do OK in the first debate, but let's see how his endurance holds for the others.

The best thing for the Democrats to do, right now, is to start working on finding an appropriate candidate, for 2024.
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Even though it's true that he's mostly getting anti-Trump votes, how do you know that won't be enough? Current polling seems to expect it to be. He's ahead on average in almost all the swing states and nationally. By a good margin too. He'd have to fall quite a bit to lose to Trump.
 

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