Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod

#961
razo said:
Just to get the facts right:

There is nothing stopping Neuromod from writing what they want about Lenire in their advertisements, right?
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I highly doubt that Neuromod would sink millions of dollars of investors' money into a bunch of fake studies to sell a device that will not work. People develop tinnitus every single day unfortunately. The market for this device is ever growing. Yes they stand to make a lot of money off of current sufferers, but if it was found to be a complete sham that would mean the end of their profits. I don't think that's what their plan is.

As of right now this treatment is ground-breaking. Some skepticism is healthy, but to suggest that they are making it all up is a bit far fetched in my opinion.
 
#962
KMc24 said:
I highly doubt that Neuromod would sink millions of dollars of investors' money into a bunch of fake studies to sell a device that will not work. People develop tinnitus every single day unfortunately. The market for this device is ever growing. Yes they stand to make a lot of money off of current sufferers, but if it was found to be a complete sham that would mean the end of their profits. I don't think that's what their plan is.

As of right now this treatment is ground-breaking. Some skepticism is healthy, but to suggest that they are making it all up is a bit far fetched in my opinion.
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I hope it works, but just want to say that their claims should taken with a healthy dose of scepticism - especially when the trial is unregulated.
As far as honesty among medical and farmaceutical companies, just do a google search. It is not that good in some cases.
I think there will be a cure eventually, perhaps this time or maybe not this time - who knows.
 
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#963
The hiring of Dr. Lim lends Neuromod credibility. As someone from academia he sounds legit and not someone who just would deliberately attach his name to a sham. I think there is sincerity there but that might not be true of every stakeholder behind this who may be looking for a ROI.

The nature of tinnitus treatments not working means anything that even offers scattershot results is going to be welcomed with open arms. It would just be best if they scaled the price accordingly. But waiting for something that is more deterministic and more dramatic might mean having us wait for years more. Perfect is the enemy of good.
 
#964
razo said:
I hope it works, but just want to say that their claims should taken with a healthy dose of scepticism - especially when the trial is unregulated.
As far as honesty among medical and farmaceutical companies, just do a google search. It is not that good in some cases.
I think there will be a cure eventually, perhaps this time or maybe not this time - who knows.
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From what I can gather they pulled MuteButton from the market because of questions about its efficacy. For me that lends a greater amount of credibility. It wasn't just about making a quick buck, then disappearing.
 
#965
GlennS said:
The hiring of Dr. Lim lends Neuromod credibility. As someone from academia he sounds legit and not someone who just would deliberately attach his name to a sham. I think there is sincerity there but that might not be true of every stakeholder behind this who may be looking for a ROI.

The nature of tinnitus treatments not working means anything that even offers scattershot results is going to be welcomed with open arms. It would just be best if they scaled the price accordingly. But waiting for something that is more deterministic and more dramatic might mean having us wait for years more. Perfect is the enemy of good.
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There's not just Lim, there's Deborah Hall too... she's fairly prominent in the UK I believe.
 
#968
ruud1boy said:
To be fair, Neuromod haven't exactly buried this info. They've been saying all along that a large percentage of trial participants experienced 'clinically significant' improvement / reduction / benefits from the device. Their study paper defines 'clinically significant' as a THI reduction of 7 points or more.

To my mind, 7 points is jack all, but they have been relatively open as to what they're reporting / claiming. I'd be......slightly disappointed let's say, if I spent 4 grand and my THI score went down by 7. If it went down by 'or more' that might be more palatable. 20 points would do for me thanks, to get me back down to moderate tinnitus.
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I think you need to learn what clinically significant means before you go bashing it. It means that a result can reliably be attributed to a treatment, given all other factors. It's not an adjective, it's a noun, and not really up for debate.
 
#971
With a 66% clinically significant response rate it won't help everyone that much.

80% was for an improvement but that was measured as even less than 10 points on THI?
 
#972
I have relatively mild tinnitus and intermittent hyperacusis and ear spasms. If it can cut my tinnitus down, that would be one hurdle overcome.
 
#974
KMc24 said:
As of right now this treatment is ground-breaking. Some skepticism is healthy, but to suggest that they are making it all up is a bit far fetched in my opinion.
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Are you familiar with the word GREED? Defective useless products are sold everyday.
Hundreds of veterans are filing lawsuits against a government contractor that manufactured and sold defective combat earplugs to the military.

The earplugs didn't maintain a tight seal and allowed dangerously loud sounds to slip through without the wearer knowing.

The lawsuits allege that Minnesota-based 3M Company designed the earplugs in a defective manner and failed to warn users of the defect or to provide proper instructions for their use, according to a copy of one lawsuit provided to Military Times.

The failure allegedly resulted in hearing loss, tinnitus and loss of balance in those who used 3M's trademarked, dual-ended Combat Arms earplugs during their military service between 2003 and 2015.
 
#977
Hi Don Tinny,

I belong to the 0.1% extremely severe tinnitus sufferers. Can't wait for the release of Lenire but on the other hand I am quite skeptical of it helping me. I have tried almost every treatment in the past except for Deep Brain Stimulation.

I will make the purchase decision once the price is unveiled.

Maybe I will also wait for feedback from other members here before I buy it. I don't know yet.

Nobody can predict if it works - it's so unfair.

Does anybody know if any medication might inhibit the treatment's effect?
I take a lot of medications, believe me.
 
#978
kelpiemsp said:
I think you need to learn what clinically significant means before you go bashing it. It means that a result can reliably be attributed to a treatment, given all other factors. It's not an adjective, it's a noun, and not really up for debate
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It's related to a predetermined percentage of improvement of which a patient would require to notice or see an important in their symptoms. However it's not always exactly clear what the level of improvement required is deemed to be clinically significant especially with something such as tinnitus. Regardless, it's not to be confused with statistical significance (related to the probability and robustness of the trial). I work in pharma sadly (yes my life is boring ha).
 
#980
EDDTEKK said:
Does anybody know if any medication might inhibit the treatment's effect?
I take a lot of medications, believe me.
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I've wondered about this too. This device is supposed to work by encouraging neuroplasticity within the brain. I've read in a few places that some people think that ADs may inhibit neuroplasticity. I can't seem to find any researched evidence that it does or doesn't though.

I even emailed Hubert Lim back in December asking this very question. He sent me a long thoughtful response that didn't really answer the question. He advised me to try other avenues before taking meds.

I don't want to get into a situation where the meds are potentially inhibiting the device. At this point it's really the only thing keeping me off the meds.
 
#981
Pleasure_Paulie said:
It's related to a predetermined percentage of improvement of which a patient would require to notice or see an important in their symptoms. However it's not always exactly clear what the level of improvement required is deemed to be clinically significant especially with something such as tinnitus. Regardless, it's not to be confused with statistical significance (related to the probability and robustness of the trial). I work in pharma sadly (yes my life is boring ha).
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Are you sure they don't mean statistical significance!? I work as a Cancer Research scientist and we never use vague adjectives like "significant" unless it's predefined by the measure of statistical validity. I haven't followed their research outputs recently, however.
 
#982
Pleasure_Paulie said:
It's related to a predetermined percentage of improvement of which a patient would require to notice or see an important in their symptoms. However it's not always exactly clear what the level of improvement required is deemed to be clinically significant especially with something such as tinnitus. Regardless, it's not to be confused with statistical significance (related to the probability and robustness of the trial). I work in pharma sadly (yes my life is boring ha).
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kelpiemsp said:
Are you sure they don't mean statistical significance!? I work as a Cancer Research scientist and we never use vague adjectives like "significant" unless it's predefined by the measure of statistical validity. I haven't followed their research outputs recently, however.
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So that brings it back to the bit in their study paper defining 'clinical significance' in this trial as being a reduction of 7 points or more on a patient's THI score - doesn't it?
 
#983
ruud1boy said:
So that brings it back to the bit in their study paper defining 'clinical significance' in this trial as being a reduction of 7 points or more on a patient's THI score - doesn't it?
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No. Clinically significance is likely the score required in order to prove the treatment has worked. They are likely taking into account fluctuations in THI + what it takes to for P to be < .5. So no... it doesn't.
 
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