South Korean Clinic Treatment (Dr. Minbo Shim)
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MemberYep, I'm pretty close. At age 43, ave 50 db loss under 1k, ave 80-100db loss over 1k. I didnt do anything to cause it and I work in a nice quiet office. The loss is pretty linear if you track it over the years. Had nothing to do with T onset. T onset was at approx age 41, or at least thats when I noticed I had it. I did hit a couple rock concerts when I was younger and did play some descently loud music, but that might have accounted for less than 5 percent loss under the age of 20. The rest is just as I am getting older.
- Sep 21, 2016
- 1,051
- Tinnitus Since
- 2011 - T, 2016- H, relapsed 2019
- Cause of Tinnitus
- noise-induced
I know this may be beating a dead horse, but did anyone manage to get some sort of verification of the Korean clinic and the doctor?
bill 112
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I did,just waiting on a response back from him as we've been emailing eachother the past two days now.
I sent him my audiograms along with other info but he's very secretive about his"treatment"
He said"I don't discuss the treatment with patients"
Don't know what to make of him to be honest.
maybe it means he does an advanced form of Reiki therapy, coupled with gene therapy.
- May 29, 2015
- 664
- 30
- Tinnitus Since
- 2012
- Cause of Tinnitus
- I had tinnitus for as long as I can remember. Got bad later.
Originally, someone snapped at me for continuing discussion of the Korean clinic. I was very uncomfortable on putting it as a separate thread, as I did not want to generate desperate hype and then suddenly give false hope, so I just let it be. However, I could really use some help.
I was swapping emails with Dr. Minbo Shim, and he has said a lot of interesting things that have made me more inclined to believe him. I told him that I have had a Vitamin D deficiency for many years out of pure inactivity and neglegence, asked him if a deficiency would be a problem for treatment, and he said that this was not considered under clinical trial, but theoretically, yes, and as soon as I caught it up to a good level, I would have to wait 3 months for full effect. He also said that a blood level of 80 was good. I also found his previous statements on growth factor intriguing, and he also emailed me a rant about the current state of medical science and he didn't believe a lot of the scientists were going in the right direction. There are also some documents of growth factor being effective in hearing regeneration, so what he says might not be BS.
I have tried to do a lot of research about him, and you can find all of it in my previous posts. Minbo Shim is an enigma, and has a lot of convincing proof of him being a genuine ENT that has traveled in many places, and it looks like he really is very informed on stem cells, even claiming to go to Stem Cell meet ups, and has also visited Heller's Lab for stem cell interests.
He has left a lot of digital footprints for me to start believing he's genuine. His clinic also has an address. I don't think a fraud would be stupid enough to reveal his name, clinic address, previous college, and show names of colleagues of his on his Facebook profile, some of which are rather active on FB. He even has a lot of posts on the Korean website Naver, which I would say is a lot like Yahoo. I don't believe a fraud generally has such an arrow on his back.
Yet, I am still cautious, despite all of this. I am trying to confirm as much as I can. I have tried to get the attention of the Korean clinical research database, CRIS, but have had no response. I even contacted the previous clinic Shim used to work at, but no response. I have been very unlucky.
I know he was featured in Russian news, but I still want to make sure. So, would anyone please see if they can get the attention of CRIS or his previous clinic, St. Mary? I want to get credible validation and/or documents.
I was swapping emails with Dr. Minbo Shim, and he has said a lot of interesting things that have made me more inclined to believe him. I told him that I have had a Vitamin D deficiency for many years out of pure inactivity and neglegence, asked him if a deficiency would be a problem for treatment, and he said that this was not considered under clinical trial, but theoretically, yes, and as soon as I caught it up to a good level, I would have to wait 3 months for full effect. He also said that a blood level of 80 was good. I also found his previous statements on growth factor intriguing, and he also emailed me a rant about the current state of medical science and he didn't believe a lot of the scientists were going in the right direction. There are also some documents of growth factor being effective in hearing regeneration, so what he says might not be BS.
I have tried to do a lot of research about him, and you can find all of it in my previous posts. Minbo Shim is an enigma, and has a lot of convincing proof of him being a genuine ENT that has traveled in many places, and it looks like he really is very informed on stem cells, even claiming to go to Stem Cell meet ups, and has also visited Heller's Lab for stem cell interests.
He has left a lot of digital footprints for me to start believing he's genuine. His clinic also has an address. I don't think a fraud would be stupid enough to reveal his name, clinic address, previous college, and show names of colleagues of his on his Facebook profile, some of which are rather active on FB. He even has a lot of posts on the Korean website Naver, which I would say is a lot like Yahoo. I don't believe a fraud generally has such an arrow on his back.
Yet, I am still cautious, despite all of this. I am trying to confirm as much as I can. I have tried to get the attention of the Korean clinical research database, CRIS, but have had no response. I even contacted the previous clinic Shim used to work at, but no response. I have been very unlucky.
I know he was featured in Russian news, but I still want to make sure. So, would anyone please see if they can get the attention of CRIS or his previous clinic, St. Mary? I want to get credible validation and/or documents.
- Sep 21, 2016
- 1,051
- Tinnitus Since
- 2011 - T, 2016- H, relapsed 2019
- Cause of Tinnitus
- noise-induced
Ah interesting. I'm intrigued, what were his thoughts on the current state of medical science and the direction scientists are taking when it comes to hearing issues?
- May 29, 2015
- 664
- 30
- Tinnitus Since
- 2012
- Cause of Tinnitus
- I had tinnitus for as long as I can remember. Got bad later.
This was actually more to do with stem cell research itself:
"Most of scientists and doctors say that stem cells can cure most of our diseases. But the great hurdle is that we don't know about stem cell's carateristics compleletly.
There are numerous stem cells which can be classified by their stemness. The stem cells which have the almighty are embryonic stem cells. And any man never knows how the small embrynoic stem cells can become a huge real man.
DNA , RNA , genome project? Just bull shit.
Have you ever heard this proverb? Blind men touching an elephant.
So, the studies about stem cells nowadays are all correct, and all wrong. Can you get it? Someday , we human finally realize that we can't understand our body completely.
Anyway I am studying stem cells but I don't believe we can use it correctly with current knowlege. So I am just using 'growth factors.' and getting acceptable results."
There are numerous stem cells which can be classified by their stemness. The stem cells which have the almighty are embryonic stem cells. And any man never knows how the small embrynoic stem cells can become a huge real man.
DNA , RNA , genome project? Just bull shit.
Have you ever heard this proverb? Blind men touching an elephant.
So, the studies about stem cells nowadays are all correct, and all wrong. Can you get it? Someday , we human finally realize that we can't understand our body completely.
Anyway I am studying stem cells but I don't believe we can use it correctly with current knowlege. So I am just using 'growth factors.' and getting acceptable results."
Also:
"Our treatment is based on the 'growth factors', not stem cell itself.
Including Stanford, most americans are focusing on stem cell itself and looking for the way to inject after incubation or differentiation. But that kind of approach will not become realistic within 10 years. - I totally agree with your scientist.
I also use some stem cells. but not directly inject them to the lesion. So I get good result ."
Including Stanford, most americans are focusing on stem cell itself and looking for the way to inject after incubation or differentiation. But that kind of approach will not become realistic within 10 years. - I totally agree with your scientist.
I also use some stem cells. but not directly inject them to the lesion. So I get good result ."
"Anyway I am studying stem cells but I don't believe we can use it correctly with current knowlege"
"I also use some stem cells"
It doesn't sound Professional nor logical... I'm sure Shim is a real ENT, but I would never give him my ears at this point.
"I also use some stem cells"
It doesn't sound Professional nor logical... I'm sure Shim is a real ENT, but I would never give him my ears at this point.
- May 29, 2015
- 664
- 30
- Tinnitus Since
- 2012
- Cause of Tinnitus
- I had tinnitus for as long as I can remember. Got bad later.
I've noticed he really isn't that good at English, so I cannot really say much. He said that he used stem cells, but not directly into the lesion, whatever that means, however previously he has also stated he doesn't think the stem cells he does use have much effect.
I just want to get as much information as I can of him. So, if anyone wants to volunteer and ask CRIS (https://cris.nih.go.kr/cris/en/use_guide/cris_introduce.jsp) or St. Mary Clinic if they could provide any validation, that would be lovely.
bill 112
Member
I've had a long conversation via email with Dr.Shim,it's this simple,forget about him.
He's extremely dodgy and purposely avoids perfectly reasonable questions about the procedure,he even threatened to put my messages into spam for asking a simple straight forward question about what cells he uses.
He has an excuse not to answer any of your questions,doesnt come off as very genuine to me.
He's extremely dodgy and purposely avoids perfectly reasonable questions about the procedure,he even threatened to put my messages into spam for asking a simple straight forward question about what cells he uses.
He has an excuse not to answer any of your questions,doesnt come off as very genuine to me.
- May 29, 2015
- 664
- 30
- Tinnitus Since
- 2012
- Cause of Tinnitus
- I had tinnitus for as long as I can remember. Got bad later.
Yeah, he's weird. However, I think even that German doctor who a lot of people praised here who does the laser therapy has gotten defensive in the past. I remember an incident on this forum, I believe, where he was aggrevated by someone's questions and cynicism.
I can't forget about Minbo Shim. If his claims are true, that's wonderful. However, if he is full of crap, I want everyone to know, especially South Korean authorities. From my brief research, South Korea is just about as strict as the United States when it comes to medical fraud. There is one notorious man who was charged for fraud related to stem cells, and then his reputation fell apart.
Minbo Shim is a strange case, because his NAME is out there. I have found his Facebook, Naver, Myspace, Blogger, and YouTube profile. I even learned what one of his emails was. Why would a fraud want to be so careless? One of the people who has appeared on his videos, probably an employee, looks to be one of his Facebook friends, and she seems to have children. Being connected to a scheme certainly would not be good for her family.
If he is a fraud, he is a careless fool. However, I have no way of actually knowing, so I won't accuse him of being one until I have proof. I find the content of his clinic Facebook page, his travels, and his visit to Stanford Heller Lab convincing, and that's what frustrates me. One of his videos has Russian media covering him, a supposed patient interviewed, and him roaming around his clinic with many people in the background. While means little, he has pictures of himself and a large bunch of people in suits. He also appears to have certificates and awards, claims that he has been "designated by the Ministry of Health & Welfare." Just check out the CM Clinic Facebook page, which you could find on Minbo Shim's Facebook profile by searching his name.
He could be lying, I have no experience or knowledge on how far people can go with that, but how this is being presented doesn't seem realistic for fraud. Again, he is putting his name on this, and his colleagues in a way, and it's not like he's claiming to have miraculous vitamins or something like that. He has been giving dozens of papers of people's supposed results, many of which are claims of 20 dB regain, which would be easy to prove by patients, so if he was full of crap that would fall apart quickly after someone decided to follow through. I also am pretty sure falsely saying he was "designated by Ministry of Health & Welfare" would get him in serious trouble, same if he abused that status. Also, perhaps the audiology papers could be forged, but the amount he has been posting makes me wonder if a forger would be able to create so many "befores" and "afters" the amount he has done.
All of this doesn't add up. I think it's very possible he's legitimate, but I want better proof. Confirmation from CRIS, Ministry of Health & Welfare, the St. Mary Clinic, SOMETHING. Unfortunately I have not obtained an answer from them. I would like one so I can take the next steps if he is false or genuine. If he is fake I think the South Korean government should know.
I would appreciate some help finding out the truth. If he is fake, I wish to prevent anyone from anywhere in the world from having their money fooled away.
Coleoptere
Member
It would be very helpfull if the exact details of the treatment are known. Though it is a bit of an asian way to keep it secret it is not an advantage. I wonder why there is no patent registrered to safeguard the treatment and allow openness and clarity to the patients. Though the risk would be that the treatment itself will then be attacked as being ineffective.
- Dec 18, 2015
- 618
- 45
- Tinnitus Since
- 03/2015
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Noise induced, loud rock concert
I don't know about @Artemis2K but given the guy is legit and there would be enough examples od people cured from T at his clinic I would go in summer 2017. But that's all speculation at the moment. BTW Minbo Shim blocked my mail because I was asking too many detailed questions, I cannot justify such behaviour so the likelihood of me going to his clinic is pretty low. I don't trust him for the moment
- May 29, 2015
- 664
- 30
- Tinnitus Since
- 2012
- Cause of Tinnitus
- I had tinnitus for as long as I can remember. Got bad later.
I think I have actually. I believe I said when I had the money. Saving up to potentially $15,000 or less for flights, two treatments, and Airbnb, is a bit hard, especially since I have to do college. Not sure if I'd even be able to do it with my plans of doing online resale. My ears have held me back quite a lot. (Well, my parent's divorce too.)
My ear problems made me lose a lot of my self-respect and confidence, as well as my sanity in general, so I would jump at the opportunity.
I have the money and if I found out he is legit and his treatment heals synapses and reduces H then I'll go asap. But I don't have money for higher treatments like stem cells and if I spend it it's going to take ages to get that amount of money back so I need solid proof...
bill 112
Member
Your experience with him pretty much mirrors mine,very elusive and defensive followed by threats of ignoring you if you ask anymore questions.
Does he honestly think people are going to fly half way around the world for a procedure that they literally know nothing about?He wouldn't even give me a laymans explanation to the whole thing,just wanted me to fly all the way there and see what happens.
I couldn't justify doing it.
bill 112
Member
Doesn't he inject Stemcells into the ear?Followed with growth factors?
I couldn't even ascertain that from him.
I asked him twice to register on TT so we could have a public discussion with him. He never did.
It's time to forget about it for a while, until he decides to act as a professional. Until then, the guy is just a joke.
It's time to forget about it for a while, until he decides to act as a professional. Until then, the guy is just a joke.
I think a doctor doesn't really have the right to do this.
Like I'm pretty sure that what Zazzio was doing when he posted about his clinic and the results he got is illegal.
Zazzio runs a private clinic in Sweden. He is allowed to post on forums, advertising his treatment as much as he likes. Nothing illegal about that. But i'm not really sure what you mean by "the results he got is illegal".
I guess it depends where you're from but at least where I live (France), doctors cannot advertise their service, same for private clinics. They're not allowed to go online and say "come to my clinic it's the best".
By result I meant posting one result to make people come to his clinic.
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