South Korean Clinic Treatment (Dr. Minbo Shim)

#121
The only way to truly verify the website's legitimacy is to contact the woman I spoke of previously, but she has not responded yet. The anticipation is killing me, and I don't want to annoy her... lol.
 
#122
Ok so I got some answers :
- the aim is to help our body in the regenerating process
- he uses growth factors extracted from blood or bone marrow
- they are injected in the middle ear through the ear drum
- he recommends to get several treatments to get a good improvement (at least 4 injections for me)
- most of his patients are 60 or more, sometimes with very severe hearing loss
- hence the recent results he shows are only "average results", he says it's better when the patient is young
- all the 30 years old patients have improved he says too
 
#123
Foncky said:
Ok so I got some answers :
- the aim is to help our body in the regenerating process
- he uses growth factors extracted from blood or bone marrow
- they are injected in the middle ear through the ear drum
- he recommends to get several treatments to get a good improvement (at least 4 injections for me)
- most of his patients are 60 or more, sometimes with very severe hearing loss
- hence the recent results he shows are only "average results", he says it's better when the patient is young
- all the 30 years old patients have improved he says too
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Ok does he mean that 30 years old patients have much better results than 60 years old ?

Is he the one who performs yhis prcedure ?
 
#124
Yes he means that a young body is more likely to regenerate than an older one.

I think he's the doctor who does it yes.

I don't think it's a scam, but we'll need more info and more guarantees...
 
#125
Foncky said:
Yes he means that a young body is more likely to regenerate than an older one.

I think he's the doctor who does it yes.

I don't think it's a scam, but we'll need more info and more guarantees...
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This makes since, considering what has been learned about the ear. Also, sometimes cochlear implants don't work for people who have been deaf forma long time, I think.

I'm going to wait one more day on Ealy's email. I don't know why she would not respond though.
 
#126
Idk about yall, but the moment I get my hearing restored, I would burst out of whatever clinic after success and start singing "I Feel Pretty". It would be a glorious day.

I used to do a lot of fun things with my voice before my hearing damage happened.
 
#128
An email from that researcher in Stanford will be the defining moment on whether or not things will take a big shift. I have this confidence that she will confirm the legitimacy of that clinic. It's based on what I have seen so far. I am cautiously optimistic. We will just have to wait.
 
#130
Foncky said:
How did you find this contact again ? Is she the only one who knows ?

@serendipity1996 I'm not quite there yet, still see this condition as a lifelong burden, but I also can't believe it's the first time in my life I'm seriously considering a treatment like this.
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Megan Ealy is a Heller researcher at Stanford who met with Shim Minbo when he visited America. There is a blog post of her and a bunch of Americans with Dr. Minbo at Stanford. Minbo was there helping Megan Ealy with her research. You can find her contact information online.

So, obviously Dr. Shim Minbo is real. The only questions are whether or not he is really associated with that clinic like the sites suggest. We can't start jumping for joy until everything connects, and only she can connect everything as she is obviously genuine.

But even if everything is connected and true, we have to consider the risks and financial stuff. Traveling, hotels, food, how many of the $6k treatments we would have to take. I'm guessing all of this might end up costing over $20,000. Of course, if everything is truly as it seems, perhaps we could somehow negotiate a discount for people within TinnitusTalk, as I think the potential profits would be significantly more if it was at least half off on treatment.

You may contact Megan Ealy, I suppose, but please read my previous posts first to have a more informed email about everything to her. I also fear of bugging her, so I am hesitant on actually giving her contact here.
 
#131
Artemis2K said:
Minbo was there helping Megan Ealy with her research.
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The blog post does not say this at all. It says "Thank you, Dr. Minbo Shim, a visiting researcher and clinician from Sunny St. Mary's Clinic in Seoul, South Korea for sponsoring a high-class sushi/sashimi dinner for last night's Progress Report lab meeting. This way, Megan's data was shining in a very nice light."

In other words, he bought dinner for a lab meeting where she presented her work. It does not say he helped her with her work. In what is almost certainly the resulting paper, Shim is not a co-author and is not mentioned in the acknowledgements. He was simply a visitor.
 
#132
Aaron123 said:
The blog post does not say this at all. It says "Thank you, Dr. Minbo Shim, a visiting researcher and clinician from Sunny St. Mary's Clinic in Seoul, South Korea for sponsoring a high-class sushi/sashimi dinner for last night's Progress Report lab meeting. This way, Megan's data was shining in a very nice light."

In other words, he bought dinner for a lab meeting where she presented her work. It does not say he helped her with her work. In what is almost certainly the resulting paper, Shim is not a co-author and is not mentioned in the acknowledgements. He was simply a visitor.
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I clearly misinterpreted that then, my apologies. Still, I think she can still confirm everything.
 
#135
gotyoubynuts said:
how are you so gullible, audiograms can be faked.

You surely don't think this is a legit clinic?
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I'm in a state of cautious optimism. It could be fake, I have only one way of knowing, and I am waiting for an answer now.

If this is a scam, then it sure is a convincing one. The clinic has its own location page with pictures and address when you search its name on Google, and has two websites that look more professional than the other one, claiming the same things. An individual is often mentioned within the website, and that very same individual visited the Stanford Heller researchers. That individual has a Twitter profile named "updatemed", and updatemed.com redirects to one of the Korean clinic pages.
 
#137
Coleoptere said:
They can be faked, I agree. But a part of these audiograms show little improvement or sometime worse at certain frequenties. Why should they show those as well?
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Without those mediocre results shown, it would raise more red flags. "Too good to be true," you know?

Now they've perfected the art of selling it.
 
#141
I think we should be able to know by Friday if the clinic is legitimate or not. I'll let you guys know as soon as Ealy replies.
 
#142
Artemis2K said:
I think we should be able to know by Friday if the clinic is legitimate or not. I'll let you guys know as soon as Ealy replies.
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He was on Russian Television (Korea is popular destination for cancer and plastic surgeries among Russians) and that where they first presented that they did clinical trials and hearing restoration works.
 
#143
lolkas said:
He was on Russian Television (Korea is popular destination for cancer and plastic surgeries among Russians) and that where they first presented that they did clinical trials and hearing restoration works.
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I want to be sure. While that sounds fantastic, I want to get Ealy's confirmation.
 
#144
So, what is the general feel in this thread now. I have glossed through some of it. Is the general belief that hearing loss will be probably cured in 5-10 years realistically? Anyone? Don't really care about the ringing as much as I care about the hearing loss being cured.
 
#145
jdjd09 said:
So, what is the general feel in this thread now. I have glossed through some of it. Is the general belief that hearing loss will be probably cured in 5-10 years realistically? Anyone? Don't really care about the ringing as much as I care about the hearing loss being cured.
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Have you not read the last five pages?
 
#146
jdjd09 said:
So, what is the general feel in this thread now. I have glossed through some of it. Is the general belief that hearing loss will be probably cured in 5-10 years realistically? Anyone? Don't really care about the ringing as much as I care about the hearing loss being cured.
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Hearing loss cures in 5-10 years? No way. Not a chance. Also, one doesn't simply inject stem cells into the ear and expect hair cells and nerve fibers to be replaced. This thread has completely lost touch with reality.
 
#147
HomeoHebbian said:
Hearing loss cures in 5-10 years? No way. Not a chance. Also, one doesn't simply inject stem cells into the ear and expect hair cells and nerve fibers to be replaced. This thread has completely lost touch with reality.
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This situation is rather strange, so I am just trying to verify everything as much as I can.
 
#148
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#149
HomeoHebbian said:
Hearing loss cures in 5-10 years? No way. Not a chance. Also, one doesn't simply inject stem cells into the ear and expect hair cells and nerve fibers to be replaced. This thread has completely lost touch with reality.
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Ok well then you are basically saying that all work that being done by hearing restoration project is nothing ? their project is so far up-to schedule.

Now, latest posts here are mostly focusing on restoration of Noise Induced Hearing Loss (acoustic trauma) and this is most common yet the simpliest of all so far and was proven to be giving positive results, yet does not sound any good ?

You as neuro scientist should know more than this. its like to say that all cancer types are same.

Hearing loss and Tinnitus as symptom are caused by different conditions/reasons and there wont be "single way" of fixing all of that. If NIHL will be cured, the rest will come short after.

I am no neuro scientist, but rather engineer that can absorb information and put "two and two" together.
 
#150
If this is a scam, it is a pretty detailed one. One Korean website, and one English website, dedicated to a clinic that appears on Google Maps with pictures. One doctor that has association with Stanford, seemingly more than just a visit, with same doctor having a Twitter username matching a url that redirects to the clinic's main website, and a YouTube channel with videos over 4 years old talking about his ENT business when he supposedly worked somewhere else before becoming a director to a new clinic. Also showing up on Russia Today.

Most scammers don't want to be found, but if this guy is a lie, he's exposing himself too much. Just one email from Stanford would tell everything. If he is a lie, then one email from Stanford would destroy his entire reputation and possibly halt his freedom for many years. I don't think South Korean government takes kindly to scammers. If this is a scam, it's a pretty poorly thought one.

I am skeptical about the whole thing, but my email will find out, if Stanford replies.
 

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