Member- Apr 23, 2015
- 418
- Tinnitus Since
- 01/21/2014
- Cause of Tinnitus
- High frequency hearing loss in left ear from head trauma (?)
Suicidal
- Thread starter jeremy06
- Start date
I respect your opinion, and agree with your words of caution.
But...... Pete is suicidal and the drugs I recommended will probably help, even at the risk of an addiction. This is why I advised two to three weeks.
Sometimes the lesser of two evils is best... suicide or possible benzo problem.
I stick by my advice, get some Valium.
The young man is in great pain and is freaking out.
Meditation, in his case, since he's not practiced in the holistic arts ain't gonna work.
Take care, and no, this is not a contest.
Just trying to help someone.
- Jan 25, 2013
- 3,573
- Tinnitus Since
- 2008
- Cause of Tinnitus
- TMJ disorder, airplane barotrauma, noise exposure.
Pound your fist on your doc's table and if necessary put your hands around their neck until they relent (or have them call Dr. Shulman)
There are so many tones. 
I so hate my life.
I don't know why this is happening.
People here have hearing loss, damage to their ears and some have acoustic trauma but they don't have it like this.
Why am I being tortured like this?
I am buying a rope tomorrow. I don't want to argue about it. I don't want to suffer anymore.
I so hate my life.I don't know why this is happening.
People here have hearing loss, damage to their ears and some have acoustic trauma but they don't have it like this.
Why am I being tortured like this?
I am buying a rope tomorrow. I don't want to argue about it. I don't want to suffer anymore.
My Dr is not going to talk to a stranger over the internet.
He already objected to prescribing a benzo.
I need sure bet treatments that reduce the tinnitus noise volume and afaik, there isn't any.
I don't know why it's so haywire.
Around 6pm to 7 or before 9pm, it was bad but I guess this is considered a change? Like something in my brain is firing too many neurons or something? :-(
Probably. Like I said before, from reading various people's experiences on here - from the UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Canada, all share common versions of suckage and neglect when it comes to their healthcare systems. All overrated and similar in how they (don't) treat tinnitus.
- Jan 25, 2013
- 3,573
- Tinnitus Since
- 2008
- Cause of Tinnitus
- TMJ disorder, airplane barotrauma, noise exposure.
My Dr. talked to him. You could call his number and leave a message if you can call a NY #. Most Dr.'s will talk to specialist Dr.'s if they can help their patient.
- Jan 25, 2013
- 3,573
- Tinnitus Since
- 2008
- Cause of Tinnitus
- TMJ disorder, airplane barotrauma, noise exposure.
No, he said he can't prescribe over the phone, only advise their Dr. The proper prescriptions if needed.
Dr.'s normally respect other Dr.'s. They talk to each other all the time.
https://www.upbrooklynent.com/abraham-shulman.html
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My amitriptyline is 10 mg.
Does anyone know about this one? I took one pill last night. It was almost 3 in the morning. The bottle content reads 1 to 3. I am not sure how many to take. I thought to start off with 1 but I dunno if it will do much.
- Jan 25, 2013
- 3,573
- Tinnitus Since
- 2008
- Cause of Tinnitus
- TMJ disorder, airplane barotrauma, noise exposure.
That is a low dose. I had problems with dry mouth on Nortriptyline and Amitriptyline (Tricyclics).
- Apr 30, 2018
- 2,507
- Tinnitus Since
- 02/2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Single 25 mg dose of (anticholinergic) drug Promethazine
I want sleep!!!!!! :-(
@PeteJ -- The first thing that significantly helped my sleep was taking 1/4 tablet of Tylenol 4 (by prescription), which has codeine in it. I feel pretty certain it was the codeine that helped me. I immediately went from getting about 30 minutes of sleep per day (in 5-min increments) to several hours that first night. I think most cold medications have codeine in them, so maybe that would be worth trying. -- I sincerely hope you can find something soon that works well for you!
- Apr 30, 2018
- 2,507
- Tinnitus Since
- 02/2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Single 25 mg dose of (anticholinergic) drug Promethazine
@PeteJ -- I'm getting ready to turn it in here. I thought I'd leave you with a link to A POST I made in which I described some of the extremely difficult times I went through in the first months of my tinnitus, including dealing with thoughts of suicide. Perhaps there's something in there that could be helpful for you at this time of crisis. (A crisis that I think you can get through, especially if you can solve the conundrum of getting some sleep.)
A soft benzo really did help me when I was in panic mode. If your doctor doesn't want to consider it he knows nothing about how serious tinnitus can be. Also Escitalopram worked really well for me but it will take weeks until it kicks in. Zopiclone is really good for sleep. When I was at my worst I took 3.75mg 2-3 times per night.
Also trust my words that there is a lot of us with severe tinnitus living good lives. We all believed our case was the worst. The more you fight it the longer it takes to learn how to live with it. It may take years but you will have a good life again.
Also trust my words that there is a lot of us with severe tinnitus living good lives. We all believed our case was the worst. The more you fight it the longer it takes to learn how to live with it. It may take years but you will have a good life again.
Go to the GP and ask for Zopiclone, if they will not prescribe Z drugs, change your GP.I want sleep!!!!!! :-(
- Jun 13, 2019
- 1,108
- Tinnitus Since
- 10/2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Started with a cold, possibly worsened by medication/noise
It needs a few days (3-6 weeks) to enter your system and start being effective. It's a low dose. An option to get benzos is to go to the ER and show very convincingly you are suicidal due to tinnitus induced ANXIETY (not depression). They will have to give you something with quick action and for anxiety a short course of benzos can be prescribed. For tinnitus clonazepam is the preferred choice as it lowers the volume in some people, but this is more addictive than valium.
Also, listen to @just1morething, I doubt your Canadian GP will ignore the opinion of a NY respected specialist, even if delivered by phone/email.
ADs can take weeks or even a month to take full effect. It needs to build up in your system before it takes effect. Taking one pill here and there won't do anything. 10 mg is a pretty low dose. Take it regularly so it has a chance to work.
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Low dose amitriptyline isn't normally directly used for the antidepressant effect.
If it's going to help with pain, sleep or other issues the effects would usually be pretty quick.
From my own experience: I have GERD. At one point I had a globus sensation which is a knot like feeling in your throat that was causing issues with swallowing food. I took 10mg amitriptyline and it helped because it had a mild muscle relaxer effect. The effects were noticeable within a few hours.
At that low dose the medicine did initially make me very groggy and I'd sleep like a rock. However, this was years ago and I didn't have tinnitus at the time. So who knows if it will help in your case.
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Once I got tinnitus (mine shortly after onset was roaringly loud. I would describe it as an 8) and hyperacusis I tried melatonin which did nothing. Went to the ER and was given a couple Ativan. They gave me about two hours of sleep before I'd wake up. Contacted my GP who gave me Trazodone which gave me about 2 hours of sleep also.
I then was essentially having a break down and went back to the ER. Ended up pink slipped to the psych ward for suicidality. This was not a beneficial experience in any way ultimately (I won't go into detail here about the traumatic psychological experiences) First they gave me seroquel which actually made me get a full night's sleep the first night but then the second night I awoke within a few hours with my tinnitus roaring worse than before. They then switched me to Ambien 5mg which gave me 2 hours of sleep as the previous meds. The second day on Ambien they upped the dose to 10mg and I slept about 3-3 1/2 hours. Once released I contacted my GP again and he gave me the extended release version of Ambien which still only gave me a maximum of 4 hours of sleep.
As far as my experience on Ambien the sleep was not restful. I had constant horrible nightmares of being attacked or hurting others. I did experience a form of the wakeful sleeping you hear about with the drug. I began to think I hadn't slept all night on it because even when I would doze in and out of sleep I would still be cognizant of my environment. Eventually I began to have uncontrollable muscle movements. I would bob my head constantly, my mouth would chew for me when I put food in it and swallow involuntarily to the point I was afraid to eat anything but soft foods for fear of choking. I could literally stand up and take one step and then my body would begin to walk for me essentially like a zombie with a very pronounced dragging of the feet and slow movement. I then had to detox off of it which didn't effect the intensity of my tinnitus but was definitely uncomfortable in addition to it.
Finally, my mother reached out to a family friend who got me an expedited appointment with a psychiatrist. He gave me clonazepam. Currently as I've only been taking it about a month it almost completely silences my tinnitus and almost completely reduces my hyperacusis most of the time. It does absolutely nothing for my anxiety and in fact makes me restless periodically. I don't get any high or euphoria from taking it. But as far as what it's done for the T and H it's basically kept me from killing myself though I would also still consider myself to be suicidal at this point. By quieting the tinnitus it's also allowed me to sleep restfully and sometimes get a full night's sleep.
I hope this post is helpful to you in some way.
I can identify with your struggle as I'm sure many here can. I developed severe dry eye syndrome and was just getting it to a manageable place before my tinnitus onset and still have horrible GERD even after dietary changes and losing 70+ pounds. So Tinnitus makes my third chronic health condition and I'm under 40.
Whatever decision you make I hope you find peace.
If it's going to help with pain, sleep or other issues the effects would usually be pretty quick.
From my own experience: I have GERD. At one point I had a globus sensation which is a knot like feeling in your throat that was causing issues with swallowing food. I took 10mg amitriptyline and it helped because it had a mild muscle relaxer effect. The effects were noticeable within a few hours.
At that low dose the medicine did initially make me very groggy and I'd sleep like a rock. However, this was years ago and I didn't have tinnitus at the time. So who knows if it will help in your case.
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Once I got tinnitus (mine shortly after onset was roaringly loud. I would describe it as an 8) and hyperacusis I tried melatonin which did nothing. Went to the ER and was given a couple Ativan. They gave me about two hours of sleep before I'd wake up. Contacted my GP who gave me Trazodone which gave me about 2 hours of sleep also.
I then was essentially having a break down and went back to the ER. Ended up pink slipped to the psych ward for suicidality. This was not a beneficial experience in any way ultimately (I won't go into detail here about the traumatic psychological experiences) First they gave me seroquel which actually made me get a full night's sleep the first night but then the second night I awoke within a few hours with my tinnitus roaring worse than before. They then switched me to Ambien 5mg which gave me 2 hours of sleep as the previous meds. The second day on Ambien they upped the dose to 10mg and I slept about 3-3 1/2 hours. Once released I contacted my GP again and he gave me the extended release version of Ambien which still only gave me a maximum of 4 hours of sleep.
As far as my experience on Ambien the sleep was not restful. I had constant horrible nightmares of being attacked or hurting others. I did experience a form of the wakeful sleeping you hear about with the drug. I began to think I hadn't slept all night on it because even when I would doze in and out of sleep I would still be cognizant of my environment. Eventually I began to have uncontrollable muscle movements. I would bob my head constantly, my mouth would chew for me when I put food in it and swallow involuntarily to the point I was afraid to eat anything but soft foods for fear of choking. I could literally stand up and take one step and then my body would begin to walk for me essentially like a zombie with a very pronounced dragging of the feet and slow movement. I then had to detox off of it which didn't effect the intensity of my tinnitus but was definitely uncomfortable in addition to it.
Finally, my mother reached out to a family friend who got me an expedited appointment with a psychiatrist. He gave me clonazepam. Currently as I've only been taking it about a month it almost completely silences my tinnitus and almost completely reduces my hyperacusis most of the time. It does absolutely nothing for my anxiety and in fact makes me restless periodically. I don't get any high or euphoria from taking it. But as far as what it's done for the T and H it's basically kept me from killing myself though I would also still consider myself to be suicidal at this point. By quieting the tinnitus it's also allowed me to sleep restfully and sometimes get a full night's sleep.
I hope this post is helpful to you in some way.
I can identify with your struggle as I'm sure many here can. I developed severe dry eye syndrome and was just getting it to a manageable place before my tinnitus onset and still have horrible GERD even after dietary changes and losing 70+ pounds. So Tinnitus makes my third chronic health condition and I'm under 40.
Whatever decision you make I hope you find peace.
- Jan 25, 2013
- 3,573
- Tinnitus Since
- 2008
- Cause of Tinnitus
- TMJ disorder, airplane barotrauma, noise exposure.
Rope is expensive. What would you do with a rope, swing in a tree? Get some Valium or Klonopin and perhaps hearing aids w/masker.
Words to live by, thanks David. People, get rid of your doctors if they don't prescribe you medications to help with your tinnitus.
Benzos time at the Apollo.
Starring tinnitus sufferers and special guests with hyperacusis.
I do not understand this, I am fighting this all the way and seeing results, do you not have to fight to survive?
- Aug 29, 2015
- 7,069
- Tinnitus Since
- 2004
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Meniere's Disease
@PeteJ,
Amitriptyline is good for sleep, anxiety and depression.
10 mg is a low dose and anything up to 50 mg is good for sleep, we are all different.
Amitriptyline is best increased at a slow rate so don't get headaches or side effects.
20 mg is reasonable for sleep and see how you go on that increasing from 10 mg to 20 mg over a few days.
Amitriptyline, Nortriptyline and Mirtazapine all have a sedative effect, help sleep, anxiety and depression at your own therapeutic dose so always go with your doctors advice and the dose level for what its needed for.
Amitriptyline is not addictive and can be taken long term for sleep and a much better option than getting hooked on sleeping tablets.
love Glynis
Amitriptyline is good for sleep, anxiety and depression.
10 mg is a low dose and anything up to 50 mg is good for sleep, we are all different.
Amitriptyline is best increased at a slow rate so don't get headaches or side effects.
20 mg is reasonable for sleep and see how you go on that increasing from 10 mg to 20 mg over a few days.
Amitriptyline, Nortriptyline and Mirtazapine all have a sedative effect, help sleep, anxiety and depression at your own therapeutic dose so always go with your doctors advice and the dose level for what its needed for.
Amitriptyline is not addictive and can be taken long term for sleep and a much better option than getting hooked on sleeping tablets.
love Glynis
You know what really helped me sleep? I went on a 10 day solo survival trip in the Norwegian mountains. I only slept like 1-2 hours per night and climbed up that fucking mountain. Now back at home I get like 6-7 hours per night, no masking, I sleep with earplugs. On bad nights I pop 15 mg mirtazapine dissolvable tablets.
Oh I did fight! Tried everything like:
LLLT
All types of meds incl. Trobalt
Intratympanic injections
CBT
Acupuncture
Physiotherapy
Cranial sacral therapy
rTMS
All types of supplements
Appointment for HIFU (happily they did not want to burn my brain)
Met with at least a dozen of doctors incl. the world famous Dr. Dirk De Ridder.
Nothing worked except for the meds I could have been prescribed just around the corner. Also just doing nothing and letting it take time to adjust did a lot. I am just so done fighting this beast anymore...
Oh, I forgot about the pressure chamber that I tried. Do not know the name anymore. Could probably go on with another 10 things that I tried but I try to bury this deep back in my mind.
- Sep 17, 2017
- 231
- Tinnitus Since
- 2017
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Medical mistake
Hi Pete,I want sleep!!!!!! :-(
My tinnitus is 7-8/10. It spiked to 9 and 10/10 before and I couldn't handle it. I have other health problems to adding to my tinnitus and my life is messed up, but suicidal before but not anymore
I just want you to try this, coming from a previously non-believer.
I am from Lebanon, and we have a saint called Saint Charbel.
There are literally thousands of testimonies about him curing people from incurable illnesses.
Most of the stories are along the lines of: I saw St Charbel in my dreams and he talked to me and i was cured suddenly the next day.
Even The Economist wrote an article about him:
https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2018/12/15/miracles-are-on-the-rise-in-lebanon
Search him on YouTube: Saint Charbel Miracles English
Some are actually subtitled English
The Lebanese Church has recorded over 30,000 miracles for him since he began his intercession in 1950s. The miracle record process is rigid and requires detailed medical reports and evidences to prove that medical community couldn't do anything and the illness is incurable and that the healing happened miraculously
I have been praying for his intercession for the past year. He has not responded to me but he had responded to other people quickly. I have no clue how he chooses to respond.
Please try praying his Novena.
http://stsharbel.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Novena-St.Sharbel-.pdf
I will include you in my prayer.
Best wishes
- Sep 17, 2017
- 231
- Tinnitus Since
- 2017
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Medical mistake
@PeteJ
Also wait for Lenire, Michigan device, Frequency Therapeutics, Otonomy.
You should know that those might not be a cure but tinnitus is the illness in which if it's severe you are suicidal, if it's mild, you forget about it as if you didn't have it. The objective FOR NOW is not to get our tinnitus CURED but to get it reduced to a point where we can resume our lives and if a cure comes along, it would just be a further blessing.
Point is, if those treatments around the horizon reduces your tinnitus, your life will automatically become 100 times better and resume to be normal.
When my tinnitus is very bad, I am suicidal, when it happens to be low or maskable, I happen to forget my suffering instantly and even entertain going to bars.
Also wait for Lenire, Michigan device, Frequency Therapeutics, Otonomy.
You should know that those might not be a cure but tinnitus is the illness in which if it's severe you are suicidal, if it's mild, you forget about it as if you didn't have it. The objective FOR NOW is not to get our tinnitus CURED but to get it reduced to a point where we can resume our lives and if a cure comes along, it would just be a further blessing.
Point is, if those treatments around the horizon reduces your tinnitus, your life will automatically become 100 times better and resume to be normal.
When my tinnitus is very bad, I am suicidal, when it happens to be low or maskable, I happen to forget my suffering instantly and even entertain going to bars.
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