MemberWhich ones? You quoted EGCG and I can't find one scrap of evidence that any of these have tinnitus as a side effect. Can you provide a link?
Turmeric with Curcumin Seems to Be Helping
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Actually found one study saying 1200 mg of EGCG caused tinnitus in 1 of 10 of test patients. Doesnt say if it was temporary or chronic. Also 1200 mg is like 3x what I take.
- Apr 30, 2018
- 2,507
- Tinnitus Since
- 02/2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Single 25 mg dose of (anticholinergic) drug Promethazine
@JohnAdams -- I've noticed that when so called natural treatments/supplements are experimented with, they often use much more than a person would typically use if they were using it themselves. I may be overly cynical, but I've gotten the feeling they would actually like to get some negative results so they can disparage low-risk, low-priced alternatives to expensive drugs.
You are basically saying plasma concentration-time curve is nonsense. I don't see how it's nonsense... It's a plasma test that evaluate the concentration of curcumin.
It's like saying the result from your blood test is nonsense. The data doesn't lie.
Also if curcumin would absorb just fine, why bother to create pills and add stuff in it? It was shown by a lot of studies that the bioavailability of curcumin is shit and that you need additives to improve the absorption rate. That's why black pepper was added at first and that's why you find it in so many low cost curcumin pills.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3918523/
"Bioavailability of Curcumin
Evidence from numerous literatures revealed that curcumin has poor absorption, biodistribution, metabolism, and bioavailability. Thus, continuous research on curcumin found some possible ways to overcome these problems. To increase the bioavailability, longer circulation, better permeability, and resistance to metabolic processes of curcumin several formulations have been prepared which include nanoparticles, liposomes, micelles, and phospholipid complexes."
Yes.. I should have just kept my mouth shut until I'd done better research. Green tea is actually healthy to drink and I guess it contains a fair amt of EGCG. You are right ringing of ears is only side effect at high doses and I think it's because if the caffeine. I apologize... I should have known better than to question the experts. I know I read where you liked the Jarrow 95 Turmeric/Curcumin.
I was wondering how many total of these tablets do you take? I have been trying a brand called Nutriflair which says it's 1200 mg curcuma longa root and 100 mg Turmeric Extract 95 % curcuminoid... have to take 2 tabs to get these ants. Taking this brand for no other reason but it was here, my husband takes it. I read on this site turmeric/Curcumin helps some so I went for it. Been taking it about 3 days now but my sound really does seem to have softened slightly... so now I am wondering more about how much can I safely take and be able to absorb.
Thxs. Judy
No, it's okay. I appreciate your insight. I did not know higher doses of EGCG have been reported to cause tinnitus.
LOL if I'm an expert then we're all doomed.
Take it with food, and I recommend at night before bed, so like dinner or dessert or something. I experimented with very high doses of curcumin and found, for me at least, that normal doses are just as effective.
Happy trails.
Right, additives aka food. I can take 500mg at night and my fingernails will be yellow the next day. So poop on your studies it is plenty bio-available if you take it with food.
- May 24, 2017
- 1,622
- Tinnitus Since
- 05/2017 (H since 06/2017)
- Cause of Tinnitus
- long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
I have been taking raw curcumin powder 3-4 grams, everyday for over a week now. Absolutely no effect on tinnitus and neither on hyperacusis this time :/ (I had some success with hyperacusis earlier).
- Apr 23, 2015
- 418
- Tinnitus Since
- 01/21/2014
- Cause of Tinnitus
- High frequency hearing loss in left ear from head trauma (?)
Don't be disappointed. It is the expected outcome when hearing loss is the dominant component. Curcumin supposed to be a good anti-inflammatory, but now it is becoming a fashionable snake oil when you search it in the internet.
@JohnAdams . I have been here one day but read for weeks before joining and you are very active. You are probably the closest thing to an expert this forum has. Or at least, should be 
I did another test with curcumin as the first time I tried turmeric and I believed it spiked my tinnitus. I then got normal curcumin powder in pills. I tried 1 and it did indeed spike my tinnitus.
Then I waited a few weeks and anxiously tried 2 curcumin pills 2 days ago. It spiked my tinnitus. It was 1.3 grams.
My tinnitus is reactive to quite a few supplements and drugs. I won't be using curcumin anymore as it did not provide me any positive effects. I had to take Xanax to calm me down after it spiked.
Then I waited a few weeks and anxiously tried 2 curcumin pills 2 days ago. It spiked my tinnitus. It was 1.3 grams.
My tinnitus is reactive to quite a few supplements and drugs. I won't be using curcumin anymore as it did not provide me any positive effects. I had to take Xanax to calm me down after it spiked.
- Jan 1, 2019
- 708
- Tinnitus Since
- Steadily worsening since 2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Unknown
With herbs, one week is almost always too short a time to have any effect. We're talking several weeks or months before you would feel the full effects of turmeric.
That said, there's no telling if turmeric would help your symptoms.
In your case I would look into ashwaganda and reishi. Tinnitus may not be treatable with herbs, but anxiety is.
- Jan 1, 2019
- 708
- Tinnitus Since
- Steadily worsening since 2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Unknown
Take it for 3 months if you want to be sure you're fully "on" it. It may have some instant effects, but the long-term effects take time.
- Jan 1, 2019
- 708
- Tinnitus Since
- Steadily worsening since 2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Unknown
That's exactly right.
Like giving rats outrageous amounts of CBD, enough to give them liver damage. Then they have their headline that baits people who doesn't bother to think for themselves: "CBD causes liver damage"
I find this very complete page, with a lot of informations, which is quite interesting.
https://examine.com/supplements/curcumin/
Maybe taking curcumin in another form or with another additive, at only 500mg, your fingernails would become yellow. The goal of having better bioavailability is to increase curcumin's absorption rate into the blood, for the same amount taken.
You're taking 500mg but you don't know how much of that is absorbed into your blood, that's why they created plasma concentration time test, to know how much curcumin actually is in the blood.
Also, the curcumin can take a different form. Part of natural curcumin is transformed by the liver and become a conjugate form that is very poorly active. That's why some brands propose "free active curcumin" which doesn't go through the liver but directly in the blood.
But you're free to believe what you want of course, it's just your approach is not very scientific.
https://examine.com/supplements/curcumin/
John, that doesn't prove/mean nothing. Yellow finger is not a measured data.
Maybe taking curcumin in another form or with another additive, at only 500mg, your fingernails would become yellow. The goal of having better bioavailability is to increase curcumin's absorption rate into the blood, for the same amount taken.
You're taking 500mg but you don't know how much of that is absorbed into your blood, that's why they created plasma concentration time test, to know how much curcumin actually is in the blood.
Also, the curcumin can take a different form. Part of natural curcumin is transformed by the liver and become a conjugate form that is very poorly active. That's why some brands propose "free active curcumin" which doesn't go through the liver but directly in the blood.
But you're free to believe what you want of course, it's just your approach is not very scientific.
I've said this before, if I am an expert then we are all doomed.@JohnAdams . I have been here one day but read for weeks before joining and you are very active. You are probably the closest thing to an expert this forum has. Or at least, should be
- May 24, 2017
- 1,622
- Tinnitus Since
- 05/2017 (H since 06/2017)
- Cause of Tinnitus
- long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
Oh, I see. I'll keep on taking it and be more patient then. I don't expect too much, but.......can't hurt to try.
Thanks for the tip about the other herbs. I'll look into that
I take non-organic curcumin btw. Do you think organic is better? (this is question both for you and @JohnAdams ). I take it mixed with a little juice (cause pure curcumin taste awful imo, and I take it with a meal and a bit of pepper, to increase bioavailability.
If my fingers and hands and feet turn yellow than that means that it definitely absorbed into my blood stream from my digestive system.
I switch between turmeric and curcumin randomly.
- May 24, 2017
- 1,622
- Tinnitus Since
- 05/2017 (H since 06/2017)
- Cause of Tinnitus
- long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
- Jul 8, 2017
- 711
- Tinnitus Since
- 6/2017
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Neck/Jaw misalignment
Is every form of tinnitus caused by inflammation? I have tinnitus from neck issues and it is somewhat somatic.
- May 24, 2017
- 1,622
- Tinnitus Since
- 05/2017 (H since 06/2017)
- Cause of Tinnitus
- long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
Nope. It is way more complex. nerves are rewiring themselves, and neurons are generating impulses, there's different etiologies.
- Jan 25, 2013
- 3,596
- Tinnitus Since
- 2008
- Cause of Tinnitus
- TMJ disorder, airplane barotrauma, noise exposure.
Yeah, John could have peed on his fingers for all we know (joke). I seem to get some silence from prednisone, but not from curcumin. I do have a lot of crunchiness and clicking in my left jaw but may be unrelated to my tinnitus. TMJ Dr. said it was one cause of tinnitus. I don't have pain, only clicking and crunchiness.
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/possible-tmj.26586/#post-307927
- Jan 1, 2019
- 708
- Tinnitus Since
- Steadily worsening since 2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Unknown
Probably, although eating pesticides may or may not be detrimental for general health
I've had TMJ for a couple years pre tinnitus on my tinnitus side. Just like yours clicking and crunching. It had improved a little actually.. at least no longer making sounds... But it's still not in good condition
- Jan 25, 2013
- 3,596
- Tinnitus Since
- 2008
- Cause of Tinnitus
- TMJ disorder, airplane barotrauma, noise exposure.
Do you have a static type sound? This noise I have is not tolerable for me...very loud and annoying.
No real pain though.
So you're one of these people that thinks nobody is allowed to know anything unless it is published in a scientific journal?
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