2020 US Presidential Election

This video worries me. It's a video of Kyle Rittenhouse punching a teenage girl (this is completely unrelated to the protests). Rittenhouse was in training to become a cop.
This video worries me too... very scary to see this guy punching a girl full force in the head... how he is a hero to some is jut as baffling... One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. Amazing that the guy who was paralyzed after being shot up was cuffed to his hospital bed and this guy who shot and killed two people was able to go home.

@Christiaan, hi there.
My brother has lived in Holland for decades and I have visited and cycled in your country many times... I am a big fan.
I like your comments and just wanted to let you know that many Americans are unaware of our nation's power and influence on the rest of the world, surprising considering our wars on foreign soil and economic mite. Take Laos for example, the country I live in now. They hold the unenviable record of being he most bombed nation on planet earth and yet they were never at war with us, and the US never declared war with them. This was the "secret bombing campaign" during the Vietnam war. It's public info but most Americans Don't know, we don't teach it.

On a completely different note, school started today. Took the kids to school and my youngest was very upset, like his dad I guess, going back to school. No coronavirus that we know of post lock down, no masks, and a relaxed vibe. The coronavirus here is not seen as a political culture war. It is seen as a virus, something to be managed and contained so it doesn't run amok in their society. So far so good, touch wood.

Take care everybody, whatever your political persuasion.
 
I wonder how many of you have a Facebook or Twitter feed filled with left wing propaganda. I can imagine some of you guys scrolling down the text captions with rhetoric. Giving you a shot of dopamine every time you see a post that aligns with your biases. The only way to make up your mind on the tough issues is to expose yourself to both sides of the argument. Something most people never do. Subscribe to Facebook pages that have radically opposite views and hear their position.
 
Imho, it's more than that. Social Media censor and ban 'right-wing' voices. I don't subscribe to the mainstream "right-wing" and although my posts might sound like I am impassioned, my tinnitus really takes over in importance (at the end of the day).

But, I think I can still make an argument based on principle and as a pragmatist looking at the reality of it. Imho, it's not debatable. I see it on any platform you care to name. Your average person won't accept certain sources or sites which are considered "right wing" or "extreme" but everything else is supported, allowed and accepted (maybe even promoted - as fact).

This hypocrisy is overlooked and ignored. Neutral and objective people have no choice but to acknowledge it. Not that it changes anything.
Some people don't like staring reality, or what we perceive as it, directly in the eyes. Rather than do that they prefer to find anything that fits their agenda. Anything that doesn't is deemed a whole number of things, eg racist, unscientific, conspiracy based, stupid, unintellectual, unacceptable in the modern world and so on. Maybe sometimes they are right, but definitely not all the time.

As someone who is neither here nor there, I find the hypocrisy and smugness both laughable and delusional, but this pertains to both some on the left and right.

All I care about is getting to the truth.
 
He would have won, had there been no virus pandemic, due to the country having been in excellent shape
I think there is a huge real estate bubble in the US, and a stock market bubble, especially at NASDAQ. In particular, the evolution of the Tesla stock is just surreal. What do you think?
 
The proof is in the pudding. NYC is not sick, yet they will not open up.

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. The Democrats have called Trump supporters many names, since before the 2016 election, starting with Hillary Clinton's famous "Deplorables." They continue with: Racist, Inbred, Trailer Park Trash, Rednecks, Fascists, Misogynists, Re-thug-licans, and many more. Several people that I know, personally, for many years, have joked but in a very serious way, that the "wrong" Trump died, when his brother passed away. They do not want to invite Trump supporters to perhaps change their minds and vote Democratic, but Trump has done the opposite and asked Democrats to join in voting for him

I have no doubt that wishing the man dead is common among Trump supporters. He is nowhere near the worst president we've ever had, but those with TDS, insist that he is. They truly are mentally ill, and many are very capable of wishing that the vaccine will not come out until the election is long over, so that their candidate has a better chance of winning.

I'd rather spend time with bible toting, conservative Republicans any time, over the Democratic anti-Trump, Social Reform, ultra-liberal fanatics.

Yes, it IS that bad.
All I can say is that I wish you well. I can't argue with someone who believes in TDS. Not after watching Republicans cheer on and get behind the number one person with Obama Derangement Syndrome. This is a worthless debate.

Hillary called Trump supporters deplorable after a hell of a lot of abuse. Ultimately, Trump voters loved when she said that because it gave them permission to support what they would have supported anyways. Nothing is more delusional than thinking someone on board with the "lock her up" chants was going to vote for her if she just didn't say a mean thing about them. After all, don't be a snowflake, right?

Classical projection. Victim blaming. Can't argue with it. I still wish you and your loved ones well. I won't be engaging in this conversation any further.
 
This video worries me too... very scary to see this guy punching a girl full force in the head... how he is a hero to some is jut as baffling... One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. Amazing that the guy who was paralyzed after being shot up was cuffed to his hospital bed and this guy who shot and killed two people was able to go home.

@Christiaan, hi there.
My brother has lived in Holland for decades and I have visited and cycled in your country many times... I am a big fan.
I like your comments and just wanted to let you know that many Americans are unaware of our nation's power and influence on the rest of the world, surprising considering our wars on foreign soil and economic mite. Take Laos for example, the country I live in now. They hold the unenviable record of being he most bombed nation on planet earth and yet they were never at war with us, and the US never declared war with them. This was the "secret bombing campaign" during the Vietnam war. It's public info but most Americans Don't know, we don't teach it.

On a completely different note, school started today. Took the kids to school and my youngest was very upset, like his dad I guess, going back to school. No coronavirus that we know of post lock down, no masks, and a relaxed vibe. The coronavirus here is not seen as a political culture war. It is seen as a virus, something to be managed and contained so it doesn't run amok in their society. So far so good, touch wood.

Take care everybody, whatever your political persuasion.
I admire your (and @Christiaan) level headedness. I find it inspiring. It is obvious that you work at it so props to you.
 
I admire your (and @Christiaan) level headedness. I find it inspiring. It is obvious that you work at it so props to you.
Thanks, all the name calling is for the birds.
Note to self, again, stop posting here.
Zugzug, take care of yourself and hoping you and all the posters can have a wee break from the shitinnitus.

One thing is for sure, all of us tinnitus and hyperacusis sufferers ain't gonna be at no rally screaming or being around all that noise.
 
I wonder how many of you have a Facebook or Twitter feed filled with left wing propaganda. I can imagine some of you guys scrolling down the text captions with rhetoric. Giving you a shot of dopamine every time you see a post that aligns with your biases. The only way to make up your mind on the tough issues is to expose yourself to both sides of the argument. Something most people never do. Subscribe to Facebook pages that have radically opposite views and hear their position.
I don't use social media, deleted Facebook a long time ago. I just started using Twitter but it's mostly to keep up with biotech and I don't follow people as much as just browse.

Social media has a lot to do with polarization and I honestly think the country would be better without it.

I would be interested in hearing a conservative point of view that didn't use inflammatory rhetoric (seriously). What sources do you recommend?
 
Would you support Biden's removal? He is more likely to be further along dementia wise?
Yes if Biden were found to have Dementia, Harris should take over.

As to why I think Trump has more signs of dementia a big red flag is that he was given a cognitive function test which he says he passed with flying colors. He described the test as "hard" which it shouldn't be with normal function. The test is designed to be passed easily for people of most intelligence levels if you have normal cognitive function.

He also said they have you name 5 things like "man women person camera tv" but in reality they would never ask you to repeat related words like that that you could word associate instead of purely memorize.
 
From my perspective a lot of push back on this thread comes as a results of some sweeping generalizations that just sound unbelievable, far fetched and straight up conspiracy theory territory.

eg.

- All liberals are Marxists (even if literally no one on this thread wants authoritarian leftism like China and would prefer, in the case of the left leaners here, more social programs akin to Scandinavia).

- Democrats support Joe Biden because they love Pedophilia.

- Everything democrats do has only one purpose and that's either secret Marxism, a plot to descend this country into anarchy and destroy the foundation of the US or just to destroy Trump at all cost, and any criticism of him is just to accomplish one of the above.

In all seriousness, how do you hear things like that and not respond with disbelief? For the record, I realize not everyone does that ( @Luman and @Emgee, your posts are both interesting and I'm glad you are contributing).
I also look on with disbelief when people try and defend Sanders earlier in the thread when they say that him saying, 'When you're white... you don't know what it's like to be poor', isn't racist. Poor Sanders misspoke LOL

Actually, I know truly poor white people here in Russia. So poor you wouldn't believe it. So Mr. Sanders, it is you who doesn't know what it means to be poor.

And do you know what? These dirt poor people are some of the most decent people I have ever met. No looting, no rioting, no killing.

A few more examples:
"I find it totally abhorrent that anyone would defend Trump personally. If for some reason, you like his policies, I'll never change your opinion. But his character should never be justified or compared to Obama."
Why? Obama killed more foreign innocent people on his watch than Trump has? Why wouldn't I question Obama's character compared to Trump's? Or don't foreign lives count?
Question for Trump supporters, if it were found that Trump's recent movement disorders (e.g.. Trouble drinking from a glass of water one-handed, extreme forward posture, rocking while standing, trouble with ramps, etc) were found to be due to something like Fronto-temporal dementia, would you support his removal?.
Would you support Biden's removal? He is more likely to be further along dementia wise? In fact, as it seems obvious to many people that he already has dementia, what are you doing to make sure he doesn't get into power and at the reigns of the most powerful country in the world?
White people do need to be reeducated.
Hellishly racist thing to say. I think you'll find that many people need a better (re)education, but no one group alone needs reeducating.

The above are just from the first 10 pages of this thread... from more left leaning people!!
 
'When you're white... you don't know what it's like to be poor', isn't racist. Poor Sanders misspoke LOL
Would you rather be a poor white guy in America, a poor white woman, a poor black guy, or a poor black woman in America as it exists now? That sentence, although a bad way to state that black people have a rougher lot in society, is just saying that it's worse to be black and poor than white and poor in America. It's a bad take, but I can understand what he was trying to convey from his other works. Unfortunately, it's easier to clip and meme a single sentence, so that's all people will see. Similar to Obama's "You didn't build that!" Statement that everyone lost their mind about, which was stating "Hey, did you single handedly build the roads to transport your products, the education system you draw your workers from? This society? No? Then you can't claim to be completely self made. You owe to the community. You should be asking what you can do for your countrymen."
Actually, I know truly poor white people here in Russia. So poor you wouldn't believe it. So Mr. Sanders, it is you who doesn't know what it means to be poor.
Considering his childhood, and his life before politics, I think he has a bit of an idea. More so than many in Government. Yet, you would be right, he doesn't understand the worst experience not poverty. Those that would will never get to government power except through a revolution, which isn't preferred. Limiting people from talking or trying to do anything about an issue without experiencing the worst of it doesn't help anything.
Why? Obama killed more foreign innocent people on his watch than Trump has? Why wouldn't I question Obama's character compared to Trump's? Or don't foreign lives count?
Where are you reading that? My sources say civilian casualties are on the rise under Trump. Then again, that could be spin. I also wouldn't really trust Russian sources on that, though, as they're not a fan of Obama, and do like Trump. You know, the whole sanctions and not being cool with them rolling into Crimea really soured that relationship.
Then again, that's the difficulty in the modern age. What sources can you actually trust to deliver the news, and not propaganda for their viewpoint. Regardless, both Obama and Trump suck in the foreign wars department. I suspect Biden will too. Hopefully he can actually be bullied to wind down our foreign conflicts, though.
you support Biden's removal? He is more likely to be further along dementia wise? In fact, as it seems obvious to many people that he already has dementia, what are you doing to make sure he doesn't get into power and at the reigns of the most powerful country in the world?
I would support removing Both Trump or Biden if either of them had dementia. It seems obvious to many that has dementia as well. Shouldn't people be working to stop him? This argument is lazy. It's essentially trying to claim hypocrisy of one side, which, 1) may not be true, as people may not agree that Biden has dementia, 2) doesn't matter because our options are two brain damaged old goons, 3) shouldn't matter because everyone is hypocritical somehow. There's cognitive dissonance on both sides.
Hellishly racist thing to say. I think you'll find that many people need a better (re)education, but no one group alone needs reeducating.
I mean, is it? I can't tell the full context of that sentence you just pulled. If I take it along, without context, I could get upset. If I looked at the context though, am I gonna find out it's about race relations? What if it was referring only to White Americans? Would it still be racist? Education about what, too? Cause there's plenty of things I'd support in terms of educating people, and plenty I wouldn't.

Honestly, both die hard camps are deranged in my book. Both parties suck, and both candidates have major flaws, and said terrible shit. One is more of a con and narcissist, that is cozying up to the idea of authoritarianism on American soil. His policies seem largely based on partisan hackery, as shown by his inability to give even a sliver of a doubt to the opposing party. We're 4 years in and he couldn't even budge enough to get an actual infrastructure plan through, the most bipartisan piece of legislation you can get, unless you only want dirt roads and no bridges. Yet, since he couldn't give an inch, as that would be seen as too weak, we're still waiting.

Americans as a while seem to not want to understand where the other side is coming from. Without that though, without seeing how the actions the other side could potentially help America, you just see the other side as monsters, and it's easier to treat them as such.
 
Some people don't like staring reality, or what we perceive as it, directly in the eyes. Rather than do that they prefer to find anything that fits their agenda. Anything that doesn't is deemed a whole number of things, eg racist, unscientific, conspiracy based, stupid, unintellectual, unacceptable in the modern world and so on. Maybe sometimes they are right, but definitely not all the time.

As someone who is neither here nor there, I find the hypocrisy and smugness both laughable and delusional, but this pertains to both some on the left and right.

All I care about is getting to the truth.
What "right?" They aren't even heard. I am not talking about neocons and conservatives either. I rarely if ever agree with them too. They are not much different than liberals at their core. They are given a limited platform because of that but they are not that different when you examine the entire picture.
 
I also look on with disbelief when people try and defend Sanders earlier in the thread when they say that him saying, 'When you're white... you don't know what it's like to be poor', isn't racist. Poor Sanders misspoke LOL

Actually, I know truly poor white people here in Russia. So poor you wouldn't believe it. So Mr. Sanders, it is you who doesn't know what it means to be poor.

And do you know what? These dirt poor people are some of the most decent people I have ever met. No looting, no rioting, no killing.

A few more examples:

Why? Obama killed more foreign innocent people on his watch than Trump has? Why wouldn't I question Obama's character compared to Trump's? Or don't foreign lives count?

Would you support Biden's removal? He is more likely to be further along dementia wise? In fact, as it seems obvious to many people that he already has dementia, what are you doing to make sure he doesn't get into power and at the reigns of the most powerful country in the world?

Hellishly racist thing to say. I think you'll find that many people need a better (re)education, but no one group alone needs reeducating.

The above are just from the first 10 pages of this thread... from more left leaning people!!
Who said the "re-educated" comment? That's pretty sad, practically just parroted from the MSM.

The latest that is going on, I believe, is discussion about Harris bailing violent protesters, looters and those with a criminal conviction, out of jail.

I don't like to repeat myself but liberals here ignored anything negative. Because '"Trump" is worse' I guess?

It goes on and on. I stated I think Trump, ultimately, is a puppet (and maybe he hates that or he accepts it, I dunno) so I don't think that makes me a typical "Trump fan" which I think people here view me as.

But, my perception is most liberals here are typical. Sorry if that sounds insulting as I hope to avoid outraged readers who might report me.

My point is, I believe I have unique views but I am pigeonholed anyway. I described just a snippet of what I believe a while ago but what I find undebateble is the hypocrisy and contradictions of most liberals. Their ability to turn a blind eye to hypocrisy and ignore wrongs of those on the left. They don't care no matter how often you point it out.
 
Despite the widespread societal pain, the economy remains a strong selling point for Trump. I give you that.
@Christiaan -- This is one topic I am totally bewildered by. My own take is the U.S. (and the world) is in very serious economic trouble because of unsustainable debt and borrowing. Since the 1950's, my understanding is the share of government revenues from corporations has gone from over 50% to less than 10%. The hollowing out of the middles class has resulted from the overall tax burden being shifted more toward them. I hold Republicans primarily responsible for this occurring.

Not only is infrastructure being ignored because of lack of revenue, but other basic things that make a society function are being funded on a gigantic credit card. And it seems nobody is concerned there will some day be a day of reckoning. To me, it all amounts to a gigantic "spiritual lie" being foisted on the public, where politicians tell us we can have "something for nothing" most notably by increasing government spending, and legislating tax breaks at the same time. It's frustrating for me, that it seems no politician can afford to be straight with the American people; that there's "no free lunch".
The BLM movement is not relevant, they are a small, group of mostly white, trust fund kids who are attempting to have their fifteen minutes of fame by opposing Mr. Man, before settling down with corporate jobs and upscale suburban lifestyles, exactly as their parents did, before them. The are immature, and have no understanding of, or empathy with, anyone other than themselves.
@Luman -- I appreciate some of your viewpoints, but what you wrote above is just flat out bonkers!
America is very resilient and is going to rise from the ashes of this pandemic
@Luman -- I'm not so sure about that. What's coming increasingly into focus, is that democracy works because of some agreed upon "unwritten principles". You can't write every single contingency into laws and legislation, so you create frameworks that people of all sides essentially abide by. These can be referred to as "gentlemen's agreements" (or gentlepersons' agreement), or perhaps an "honor system". House oversight of the executive, bring Presidential Supreme Court nominees up for a vote, etc.

Trump is demolishing this system that democracies depend on. Apparently, Trump supporters love the fact that he's "stirring things up", but do they really understand how dangerous that is? I don't see him stirring things up as much as I see him "tearing things down". It's super easy to be destructive. It takes a lot of hard work, thought, and consideration to figure out ways to get along with other politicians to make things work for the country. Trump get an F- when it comes to those departments.
Democrats would rather see anarchy, strife, and sickness prevail, than stability and hope, so that they can obtain a victory in November
More bonkers!
You really think Democrats wanted COVID? Do you know how delusional that is?
@Zugzug -- Quite agree!
But if someone criticizes the most immoral, selfish, racist scum bag on the planet, they love seeing people get sick. This is a world so deep in Stockholm Syndrome. It will be all over the history books someday.
Winner!
Literally the ONLY thing he did that made any sense was to reduce travel from China, that's why he repeats it in every speech ad nauseum.
From the time it became known there was a novel virus spreading in Wuhan in December, my understanding 80,000 Chinese people flew from Wuhan directly into the U.S. before the travel ban was ever put into place. Way too little, way too late. Why didn't we do what Taiwan did, which I believe started banning flights from China in December, 2019? There's so much that could be written about Trump's colossal failure when it came pandemic management; but I think I'll just give him another F-, and let it go at that.
 
You have written a very well thought out, informed reply. I fully agree that there are problems, and I am not pleased with some of Trump's foreign policy, but I doubt that I would be fully satisfied, with any presidents policies. President Trump has kept us out of war, and the rest of the world seems to be making an effort to do the same, with exceptions, and disputes, as there always have been and always will be.

With freedom, and capitalism, there are caveats, and the potential for crime is one of them. This is one of the reasons, along with bad drug policies, why we have a very high prison population. It's too complex a subject to reduce to explaining in a few paragraphs. I will simply state that this prison situation is not new, and has increased over the years and not going away anytime soon, no matter who is in office. Overall, though, crime was down, before the pandemic, and will return to the former status, in time.

The BLM movement is not relevant, they are a small, group of mostly white, trust fund kids who are attempting to have their fifteen minutes of fame by opposing Mr. Man, before settling down with corporate jobs and upscale suburban lifestyles, exactly as their parents did, before them. The are immature, and have no understanding of, or empathy with, anyone other than themselves.

The "jobless benefits" have actually been very generous under Trump. In face, there are studies which show how employers are having difficulty finding potential job candidates, because many would rather collect their bigger-than-average Unemployment Insurance checks, than go back to work. If I were in this position, and could afford it, I would do the same.

America is very resilient and is going to rise from the ashes of this pandemic, which has been the root cause of the economic problems, not just here but all over the world, when Covid is under control with medicines and a vaccine, which will be available, in the near future. Democrats would rather see anarchy, strife, and sickness prevail, than stability and hope, so that they can obtain a victory in November, but this isn't going to happen - at least that's the way it's beginning to appear.

Thank you once again for your participation, it's always good to hear others' views, from outside the USA.
Thank you for sharing your views @Luman. But let's agree to disagree. I think we have a completely different picture about BLM, the factors that play a role in the high crime rate in the US (due to low investment in social-economic programs + drug policy and institutional racism towards people of color) and the jobless benefits (which btw the Dems want to extend to 600 dollars jobless benefits until January, but the Republicans want to cut it to 200 dollars + partial compensation in state funds if states are willing and able to, and that for just two months), which is fine by me;)

Source on jobless benefits:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/07/31/congress-bailout-unemployment-insurance/

Regardless of political ideology, I do hope that America will get back on its feet again. From what I have seen and read, I do have to say that Democrats have put more effort in warning citizens on COVID-19 + acted more responsible (virtual conference, political leaders wearing and promoting mouth caps, promotes social distancing), whereas most Republicans have acted more irresponsible (Trump often contradicts the scientific claims of Dr. Fauci on the dangers of the virus, promotes the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine without scientific backup, Matt Gaetz who mocks the dangers of the virus by wearing a gas mask in congress, and the active opposition to safe distancing, like on the recent Trump rally in Oklahoma, which may have cost Herman Cain's life, etc etc..) . Taking this all together, I dare to say that the Republicans create more problems than that they would tackle it. I would rather be proven wrong, but I have to say that America is not in safe hands with the GOP.
 
Would you rather be a poor white guy in America, a poor white woman, a poor black guy, or a poor black woman in America as it exists now? That sentence, although a bad way to state that black people have a rougher lot in society, is just saying that it's worse to be black and poor than white and poor in America. It's a bad take, but I can understand what he was trying to convey from his other works. Unfortunately, it's easier to clip and meme a single sentence, so that's all people will see. Similar to Obama's "You didn't build that!" Statement that everyone lost their mind about, which was stating "Hey, did you single handedly build the roads to transport your products, the education system you draw your workers from? This society? No? Then you can't claim to be completely self made. You owe to the community. You should be asking what you can do for your countrymen."
Considering his childhood, and his life before politics, I think he has a bit of an idea. More so than many in Government. Yet, you would be right, he doesn't understand the worst experience not poverty. Those that would will never get to government power except through a revolution, which isn't preferred. Limiting people from talking or trying to do anything about an issue without experiencing the worst of it doesn't help anything.
Words matter. His comment as taken is racist through and through.

The left clips sentences all the time and then complains when others also do it. Hypocritical to say the least.

I would rather not be poor full stop. Black, white, green or whatever doesn't come into it for me.
Where are you reading that? My sources say civilian casualties are on the rise under Trump. Then again, that could be spin. I also wouldn't really trust Russian sources on that, though, as they're not a fan of Obama, and do like Trump. You know, the whole sanctions and not being cool with them rolling into Crimea really soured that relationship.
Then again, that's the difficulty in the modern age. What sources can you actually trust to deliver the news, and not propaganda for their viewpoint. Regardless, both Obama and Trump suck in the foreign wars department. I suspect Biden will too. Hopefully he can actually be bullied to wind down our foreign conflicts, though.
I don't trust Russian sources in the least. Remember, I am not Russian myself.

That said, I don't trust any other sources either, but instead I try to read between the lines to get a general feel for what may or may not be true. Not always easy.

I will have to look for the sources, but as you say sources can vary greatly in their interpretation of the facts.
I would support removing Both Trump or Biden if either of them had dementia. It seems obvious to many that has dementia as well. Shouldn't people be working to stop him? This argument is lazy. It's essentially trying to claim hypocrisy of one side, which, 1) may not be true, as people may not agree that Biden has dementia, 2) doesn't matter because our options are two brain damaged old goons, 3) shouldn't matter because everyone is hypocritical somehow. There's cognitive dissonance on both sides.
It's not lazy at all.

Trump is already in, and I don't think he was accused of having dementia at any time before being elected. I may be wrong about that though. However, people have been questioning Biden's cognitive decline/abilities for quite a while now, and he may well become the next guy with his finger on the button. Don't you find that scary?

Really, people should be asking themselves how the hell things have gotten to this juncture.
I mean, is it? I can't tell the full context of that sentence you just pulled. If I take it along, without context, I could get upset. If I looked at the context though, am I gonna find out it's about race relations? What if it was referring only to White Americans? Would it still be racist? Education about what, too? Cause there's plenty of things I'd support in terms of educating people, and plenty I wouldn't.
Yeah it is. Racist as it gets.
Honestly, both die hard camps are deranged in my book. Both parties suck, and both candidates have major flaws, and said terrible shit. One is more of a con and narcissist, that is cozying up to the idea of authoritarianism on American soil. His policies seem largely based on partisan hackery, as shown by his inability to give even a sliver of a doubt to the opposing party. We're 4 years in and he couldn't even budge enough to get an actual infrastructure plan through, the most bipartisan piece of legislation you can get, unless you only want dirt roads and no bridges. Yet, since he couldn't give an inch, as that would be seen as too weak, we're still waiting.

Americans as a while seem to not want to understand where the other side is coming from. Without that though, without seeing how the actions the other side could potentially help America, you just see the other side as monsters, and it's easier to treat them as such.
Yes, they are both terrible.

I am ashamed for America, I really am. Honestly, you are screwed either way.

Remember, I am neither left or right. Ultimately, it is a decision for the US who gets to be president, but it's decision that has massive repercussions for the rest of the world.

For me, Trump's selling out of his own intelligence services is unforgivable, as is his sucking up to Putin and the likes. Due to this, he needs to go, but then you are left with Biden.
 
Biden has had an issue with stuttering since as a child, so that could be mistaken for dementia.
True, but it's more than that. He wanders off the subject way too often and forgets where he is.

Not good for a possible president.

But who knows, maybe he will turn out to be a decent president.
 
For consideration:

Choice number one: A fast-track COVID-19 vaccine is approved by the FDA for release in 2020, due to President Trump relentlessly pushing for it. As a result, Trump's popularity surges, he wins the election, and is sworn in as president for the next four years.

Option number two: The medical authorities announce in October that a COVID-19 vaccine will not be available in the United States, until the spring or summer of 2021, despite Trump's efforts to have it released in 2020, and he subsequently loses the election to Biden, who is sworn in as president for the next four years.

Which option would the Democrats prefer, the release of a vaccine in the fourth quarter of 2020, which ensures that Trump is victorious, or having no vaccine until the second or third quarter of 2021, but with a guaranteed Biden victory?

I believe that many Democrats who despise Trump, and support the election of Biden, would prefer option two, with their reason being, that it is for the "greater good."
 
Just how many times do you visit the Red Light District in Amsterdam? I read that that area is being hurt by COVID-19. I'm not sure on the global warming. I have seen the film by Al Gore a few years ago and it appears to be real.

Why should the US support abortions in the Netherlands? That's your countries responsibility if they see it that way.
Ah, that's a good one @just1morething ;) Your question indicates that I would have visited the Red Light District at least once. No, not every Dutch person has visited the District, just as much as that not every American has seen the Capitol building up close.

Basically the pandemic is financially hurting us around here. Especially sex workers are heavily hurt by the situation. Some of them get governmental financial assistance if they can prove that they have lost a considerable amount of work.

I don't understand your question. Our country already supports women's reproductive rights, so why do we need another country's help. Anyway, it is indeed a ''to each his own'' matter when it comes to support of reproductive rights in a certain country and that needs to be respected. However, as long as the federal government has not overturned Roe v. Wade, even though they are trying to undermine it by slashing + blocking funds for planned parenthood, it is within the right of another country or entity to finance in order to support women.
 
This video worries me too... very scary to see this guy punching a girl full force in the head... how he is a hero to some is jut as baffling... One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. Amazing that the guy who was paralyzed after being shot up was cuffed to his hospital bed and this guy who shot and killed two people was able to go home.

@Christiaan, hi there.
My brother has lived in Holland for decades and I have visited and cycled in your country many times... I am a big fan.
I like your comments and just wanted to let you know that many Americans are unaware of our nation's power and influence on the rest of the world, surprising considering our wars on foreign soil and economic mite. Take Laos for example, the country I live in now. They hold the unenviable record of being he most bombed nation on planet earth and yet they were never at war with us, and the US never declared war with them. This was the "secret bombing campaign" during the Vietnam war. It's public info but most Americans Don't know, we don't teach it.

On a completely different note, school started today. Took the kids to school and my youngest was very upset, like his dad I guess, going back to school. No coronavirus that we know of post lock down, no masks, and a relaxed vibe. The coronavirus here is not seen as a political culture war. It is seen as a virus, something to be managed and contained so it doesn't run amok in their society. So far so good, touch wood.

Take care everybody, whatever your political persuasion.
Hi @Daniel Lion, nice to hear that you like my country. You're more than welcome to visit my place if you have the time to visit the Netherlands. Lot's of cycling paths around here. So, does your brother still live in the Netherlands btw?

I didn't know about the bombing in Laos. We al know the stories about Cambodia (Khmer rouge) and Vietnam (Vietcong) and that they were a socialist ''threat'' for Western countries, but Laos? There's so much that we don't know about history. Anyway, I need to look into it

Sounds like Laos has everything in control. It must be a huge relief that you have such a competent government.
 
Trump implemented the China ban a day after WHO declared a global public health emergency. Trump was one of the first to implement the China ban and bans for certain countries from Europe before other countries. China and Europe reacted negatively about these bans. Basically all anti-Trump people including the news media at that time called Trump xenophobic for doing this.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-pandemic-timeline-history-major-events-2020-3

China was hiding the seriousness of this virus. Useless WHO did not warn the world quickly enough.
 
Trump get an F- when it comes to those departments.
So does every seedy person with power, money and influence. I have a long life friend who controls a well known financial investment corporate rating company. His research advisors has always given 5 stars ratings to companies with the most power that control your life and rights and often not for the better. For some of us here, who is going to stand up for those whom are really disabled and expect nothing in return.
 
I hear that Joe Biden is back in the basement, and that his wife is going out, to campaign for him.

The nomination of this man, Joe Biden, and whatever else is wrong with him that we don't already know, is almost guaranteed to hand another victory to President Trump, in November.
 
So does every seedy person with power, money and influence. I have a long life friend who controls a well known financial investment corporate rating company. His research advisors has always given 5 stars ratings to companies with the most power that control your life and rights and often not for the better. For some of us here, who is going to stand up for those whom are really disabled and expect nothing in return.
It's sad how much we bicker over scraps. I disagree with Bernie on policy details, but he is spot on about how stupid it is to see people with major life obstacles get mad at other people with major life obstacles, all while there are people in this country who could shovel wads of cash into a bonfire every night and have it be an accounting error on their net worth.

I have a lot of empathy for poor and/or disabled white people. It's just really difficult when they ferociously defend the number one person who would con them and not care about them. I can't help but think this is nothing more than a classical presentation of cognitive dissonance.
 

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