Member- May 29, 2015
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- Cause of Tinnitus
- I had tinnitus for as long as I can remember. Got bad later.
Solsaem Clinic (Dr. Minbo Shim) Experience
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The issue isn't about believing. It's about proving.
Many treatments do go down the clinical testing pipeline and very few come out on the other end as a success. They all start with a legitimate postulate that "makes sense" and is easy to believe. But testing is the only way to ensure efficacy and safety with a statistically significant number. And as clinical statistics show, only a small minority of those treatments end up proving to be successful, in spite of their very believable original premises.
Until you've done that, you may have a great cure in your hands, but you won't have convinced the world that you do, which is a situation that is sad for both parties.
Dr Shim is a very skilled doctor that helped me a lot. Why he was more money, I don't know. Maybe John got it too cheap? If you look around at different clinics, China, Vietnam, Tijuana, for stem work, they all charge $18000, $20000, or more.
Dr Shim spent money on my treatments. I know it cost him. I'm not made of money, but I didn't feel like he was out of line.
Besides ending my 8 year violent cough with his side nose job, I just realized another side benefit, that I don't know what to make of, if it's even from his treatments... my sleep patterns are much better since I got back and got over the jet lag.
I slept really good as a kid, 8 hours, but after my 20's, I only slept 4-6 hours per night. Even right before going to Seoul, I was up at 2 or 3 AM, and that was my nights sleep. Every day for years, didn't sleep past 3 AM. Couldn't get back to sleep and began the day tired. Now I've slept the past several nights til about 4:45 AM, and am better refreshed. This is great. I don't know if it had to do with his injections.
Hopefully this will stay like this as my new sleep times.
Dr Shim spent money on my treatments. I know it cost him. I'm not made of money, but I didn't feel like he was out of line.
Besides ending my 8 year violent cough with his side nose job, I just realized another side benefit, that I don't know what to make of, if it's even from his treatments... my sleep patterns are much better since I got back and got over the jet lag.
I slept really good as a kid, 8 hours, but after my 20's, I only slept 4-6 hours per night. Even right before going to Seoul, I was up at 2 or 3 AM, and that was my nights sleep. Every day for years, didn't sleep past 3 AM. Couldn't get back to sleep and began the day tired. Now I've slept the past several nights til about 4:45 AM, and am better refreshed. This is great. I don't know if it had to do with his injections.
Hopefully this will stay like this as my new sleep times.
That's not exactly how he arrived at his conclusion, but still, you're right about everything else, except
Any ENT or otolaryngologist can do this today in America if they want to. PRP is not regulated by the FDA. I really wish he would open a clinic here.
Make no mistake, many of us have really hurt ourselves, in a place that I believe is harder to get to that any other organ in our bodies.
Same treatment, same duration of time?
Not sure about the rational, could be due to other factors... bargaining skills?
How do you reckon Dr. Shim arrived at the conclusion about PRP being effective as a treatment?
And yes, it's an extremely difficult region of the body to get to....
How's your ear health?
Is the spike fading?
- Feb 17, 2017
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- Tinnitus Since
- February, 2017
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Acoustic Trauma
@JohnAdams Hello, John
I am sorry, I haven't been reading this thread, and now I am having trouble finding your post where you describe what has happened.
May I ask you to please post a brief summary of how loud your tinnitus was before the treatment and what happened to it afterwards? What was the cause of your spike? Has the new sound faded, at all?
Thank you, John!
I am sorry, I haven't been reading this thread, and now I am having trouble finding your post where you describe what has happened.
May I ask you to please post a brief summary of how loud your tinnitus was before the treatment and what happened to it afterwards? What was the cause of your spike? Has the new sound faded, at all?
Thank you, John!
Huge fan of Bill Bauer.
I wished he had weighed in on this thread back in the day... he is smart.
I find it amazing how many people on this forum are not aware of this thread or even give a shit. It's amazing that people could be so disinterested in their own welfare. Strange.
I wished he had weighed in on this thread back in the day... he is smart.
I find it amazing how many people on this forum are not aware of this thread or even give a shit. It's amazing that people could be so disinterested in their own welfare. Strange.
Loud enough to distract me from my work and make it difficult to fall asleep. To remedy this, I was drinking vodka every night before bed and that would take the edge off. When I would get spikes from not sleeping enough, or loud sound exposures there was a HF component that was so loud I could hear it over everything, even when driving.
After about 2 months of wild fluctuations it started to disappear in my right ear to the point where I had to plug my ear to hear it, and my left ear was getting much better, but nothing like my right ear. Also the HF component started to disappear completely.
My mom accidentally smooched me right on the ear canal and it was very loud and my left ear started ringing immediately with this intermittent HF sound, totally new and different from any other sound I had before.
I thought it was a few days ago, but sadly it has not.
The exact details of my conversation with him about that are not suitable for this forum, however, go read all the posts I have made about prior studies that have shown efficacy. There are definitely huge clues.
- Feb 17, 2017
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- February, 2017
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Acoustic Trauma
Thank you for the update!
If it got quieter for a significant period of time, then hopefully those quiet periods will keep getting longer and longer.
Sorry, what do you mean by "HF"?
Have you asked the doctor whether it makes sense to repeat the treatment for your left ear? I realize that you've had the treatment done for both ears, but perhaps it would help to do it again for the ear which proved to be stubborn, this time targeting a slightly different area, or changing some other parameter of the treatment?
- Mar 1, 2018
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- birth/ recent spike 2/2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Born with ETD, several acoustic traumas, most recently ETD
He is using the same cells that can cause tumors to grow, or increase the growth of current tumors. Lucky for us, our Tinnitus Tlak members have taken that risk, and the rest of us will benefit.
Holy shit this is scary.
I am sure John will be fine, but still something to consider.
- Jan 25, 2013
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- 2008
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- TMJ disorder, airplane barotrauma, noise exposure.
Please explain how so. its my understanding that only Allogeneic stem cells can cause new tumors due to rejection and not Autologous stem cells which is happening here. Also these are adult stem cells and not young stem cells, further reducing the possibly of tumors growing. The older the stem cells are, the less things they can turn into, such as tumors.
I highly doubt that your own bone marrow can increase any risk of cancer whatsoever.
Cite your source please.
No it's not. I'm 99% sure that there is zero risk of cancer from this. I say 99 and not 100% because I haven't seen any evidence of this one way or another. I would greatly like to see where kelpie got that information from.
- Mar 1, 2018
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- birth/ recent spike 2/2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Born with ETD, several acoustic traumas, most recently ETD
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5623746/
However, recent studies have suggested that MSCs also appear to contribute to tumor pathogenesis by supporting tumor microenvironments, increasing tumor growth, and eliciting antitumor immune responses. Although some studies suggest that MSCs have inhibitory effects on tumor development, they are overwhelmed by a number of studies showing that MSCs exert stimulatory effects on tumor pathogenesis.
https://molecular-cancer.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12943-017-0597-8
More recently it has been shown that cross-talk between tumour cells and MSCs has been shown to increase metastatic potential and promote epithelial-to-mesenchymal transition.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24512984
There is increasing evidence that mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) have the ability to migrate and engraft into tumor sites and exert stimulatory effects on cancer cell growth, invasion and even metastasis through direct and/or indirect interaction with tumor cells.
So basically the risk here is if you already have cancer in your middle ear? Do you agree with that?
- Mar 1, 2018
- 871
- Tinnitus Since
- birth/ recent spike 2/2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Born with ETD, several acoustic traumas, most recently ETD
No...nobody knows yet. But I hope your right, this is something I'd like to do in the future. I'm not fear mongering, I just know that is the main reason the FDA has played it slow with MSCs.
I see that. You posted evidence. That's how discussions are supposed to work.
If I get cancer I'll definitely let you know.
Also remember, the main part of the treatment is based on growth factors from PRP.
Hmm, I got stem cell therapy 10 yrs ago from a doctor in Phx. I wanted stem cell for hearing loss. He took fat out of me, and extracted stem cells from it. He got 30 million. He say he likes to get 100 million. But you get what you get.
I asked him to inject it into my middle ear. He said he can't. It could cause serious damage. I suppose for him cause he wasn't an ENT. So he put it into my vein and it went systemic. That didn't help my cochlears any.
But I haven't gotten cancer from it either.
I asked him to inject it into my middle ear. He said he can't. It could cause serious damage. I suppose for him cause he wasn't an ENT. So he put it into my vein and it went systemic. That didn't help my cochlears any.
But I haven't gotten cancer from it either.
Tinnitus is awful... let me first just state the obvious.
Secondly, I sincerely want John and Glenn to heal, for them and for me.
This is what i don't get, and tinnitus is complex. John Adams posted that he has had a few days of low or nearly no tinnitus ingesting copious amounts of Curcumin or Turmeric, prior to going to Korea.
His hearing has suffered, but not enough to have to wear hearing aids. My audiogram is horrible, like a ski slope, and I was told I'm a candidate for hearing aids. I digress.
John Adams's tinnitus was absolutely awful, but did fluctuate depending on sleep and other variables. His left ear was the ear that took the brunt of the guitar amp, correct me if I'm wrong, and he was kissed in the right ear.
The left ear is acting up again. Bloody confusing.
GlennAz has major hearing loss and it will be very interesting to see how both John Adams and GlennAZ heal.
Where am I going with this... not sure... because it's confusing.
Everything about PRP makes sense, and I remember on the old thread discussions about high frequency hearing loss possibly originating from the procedure, which was ultimately brushed aside by saying more treatments would alleviate this problem.
I'm struggling everyday, and sincerely hope that John Adams and GlennAZ get better.
This thread has always given me hope, and I believe Dr. Shim is a good guy and an amazing ENT. My fingers are crossed and patiently wait our two brave members' reports.
PS. John Adams, I believe your new tone will go. Make sure to eat well, and exercise. This will help your PRP treatments, general recovery, and mental state. It will also help, what I believe is a momentary "spike", to settle down and go away. May the force be with you, Daniel.
Secondly, I sincerely want John and Glenn to heal, for them and for me.
This is what i don't get, and tinnitus is complex. John Adams posted that he has had a few days of low or nearly no tinnitus ingesting copious amounts of Curcumin or Turmeric, prior to going to Korea.
His hearing has suffered, but not enough to have to wear hearing aids. My audiogram is horrible, like a ski slope, and I was told I'm a candidate for hearing aids. I digress.
John Adams's tinnitus was absolutely awful, but did fluctuate depending on sleep and other variables. His left ear was the ear that took the brunt of the guitar amp, correct me if I'm wrong, and he was kissed in the right ear.
The left ear is acting up again. Bloody confusing.
GlennAz has major hearing loss and it will be very interesting to see how both John Adams and GlennAZ heal.
Where am I going with this... not sure... because it's confusing.
Everything about PRP makes sense, and I remember on the old thread discussions about high frequency hearing loss possibly originating from the procedure, which was ultimately brushed aside by saying more treatments would alleviate this problem.
I'm struggling everyday, and sincerely hope that John Adams and GlennAZ get better.
This thread has always given me hope, and I believe Dr. Shim is a good guy and an amazing ENT. My fingers are crossed and patiently wait our two brave members' reports.
PS. John Adams, I believe your new tone will go. Make sure to eat well, and exercise. This will help your PRP treatments, general recovery, and mental state. It will also help, what I believe is a momentary "spike", to settle down and go away. May the force be with you, Daniel.
I spoke incorrectly about HF hearing loss. I read through the thread and D. Shim said it was not an issue. Sorry about that.
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