Suicidal

[Chinmoku]

That's really depressing.

I think the saddest thing in the world is that nothing happens with us after death but it's probably true.

I wouldn't be so sure. Apart from NDEs with people born blind who see, the hard problem of consciousness, unexplainable healings, bib bang cosmology (the fun one here are people appealing to string/landscape multiverse), the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics and the platonic existence of its objects, it's full of great scientists and artists who are believers. I could produce a long list but what's the point?
But on the list of DaveFromChicago there is something I need to say: listing the great Dostoevsky as an atheist is partial to say the least, I would personally say it's completely wrong. Even wikipedia says that

"For all that, to place politically Dostoevsky is not that simple, but: as a Christian, he rejected the atheistic socialism; as a traditionalist, he rejected the destruction of the institutions and, as a pacifist, any violent method or upheaval led by both progressives or reactionaries. He supported private property and business rights, and did not agree with many criticisms of the free market from the socialist utopians of his time."

There are Christian apologists who put Dostoevsky in the cover of their books and consider him one of the greatest christian writers. I agree. He didn't like the church but he absolutely loved Christ.

@PeteJ , this is not a cold intellectual discussion in the face of your pain. I'm sorry you are suffering. If the thought of an afterlife can help you please know that there is partial evidence for that, there is hardly any certainty at all in the opposite hypothesis (but nothing is certain).

 

[AlbertJ]

I hope so Albert. My tinnitus has often fluctuated at least in the morning albeit briefly after I wake up although it is not a major change, it's something. Like 8/10 and then eventually going up to 10/10 for the rest of the day. That has been the common experience for a while.

Now, I have 11/10 with multiple tones and left ear fullness.

Ear fullness might be indicative of eustachian tube dysfunction. Have you had colds or allergy recently? Pressure in the middle ear can affect the inner ear. Hence, it can affect tinnitus too. Steam inhalation can be of help, if you opt for a conservative treatment. But consult your ENT doctor just to be sure.

Camomile tea may also help you relax especially at night. It is really, really important for you to have a decent amount of sleep - and rest from thinking about tinnitus. Being a fellow tinnitus sufferer, I can understand that anxiety at night is difficult to come by. But you must sleep. The following may be able to help:

1. Attain a total darkness in your bedroom.
2. Freshen your body with a warm bath before you sleep but do not do this when you are tired.
3. Play white noise or nature sound on the background.
4. Ensure that the room temperature is cool enough for sleeping.
5. Stray your mind from thinking about tinnitus. Think of happy thoughts or any funny incidents instead.
7. Tell yourself and the world that you will get BETTER.

There are numerous studies that the brain is able to habituate even to loud tinnitus so achieving peace in the midst of a cacophony of sounds is possible.


Warm regards,
Albert

 

[Kriszti]

@Greg Sacramento

Why shouldn't we use curcumin and magnesium at the same time?

 

[Star64]

@Star64, I agree with your post but I think when tinnitus is severe, it is arguably the worst condition you can have. You don't die from it unless you take your life from it - otherwise you just suffer and get tortured.

For some people, it isn't just tinnitus, it's hyperacusis, ear fullness, ear pain and other health problems that these problems probably contributed to or happen in addition to.

All of this is invisible to others which makes it a unique and horrible condition.

I think that justifies as being an understandable reason for allowing suicide/euthanasia.

I agree Pete it is a horrendous condition to live with and yes many people do not understand it because they cant see it.

I know what it is like to have hyperacusis, ear pain, jaw pain and distorted hearing alongside tinnitus and when they all occur at once it is true torture.

I am lucky the hyperacusis has gone away for now, but that is the thing with this condition you ever know when things will spike again.

 

[TheDanishGirl]

Its Ok Danish Girl, everybody has a right to their own opinion and I do not see you being disrespectful at all, in fact I admire your honesty and openness in your posts.

I think you misunderstood my opinion though, firstly I do not think anybody has the right to tell anybody what they should do when it comes to choosing life or death, I was just stating that nobody should be put in this position. Deciding to continue to live with tinnitus or to take ones life is a personal choice, but this choice would certainly not be easy especially when leaving family members such as young children behind.

I actually was actively involved in lobbying to change our laws here in Victoria Australia to pass the bill in parliament for VAD, the first person to use this died peacefully in a Nursing home on the 15th July this year, I am so grateful that she was able to have a peaceful death. Some of my friends were totally against this bill being passed, so you see I respect everybody's opinion, we all have different reasons behind them.

VAD in Victoria still needs to meet strict requirements, so it is not an option made available to everyone with a chronic condition. Things move slowly here, but VAD for terminal patients at least is a start in the right direction I feel. I am still hoping nobody suffering with tinnitus will ever have to use VAD, but if that is what someones wants then I would definitely respect their choice.

Nobody I believe truly wants to die, they just wont to end their suffering, I have been in this position for months at a time and I am so glad that I chose life, but there were times I did not think I was going to make it. I am grateful to be alive now, even with tinnitus.

I admire your work. Very good on ya.

I don't know about the "nobody want to die" I think it isn't a far fetched thought to assume not everybody is "cut out" for life and all the obligations and pain that come with it. I have talked with a small number of people online, that just didn't seem to like life in any way and not just because of pain and/or illness. They simply find it mundane at best. In a way I'm kind of like that. I would prefer death to living. Death is no obligations and no pain and in my 33 year old life there have been very very little time, where I felt life had enough benefit for me to prefer it over death.........sadly, I don't see this changing for me. As I read a family member say about a semi-famous guy in my country who committed suicide: "he was just too vulnerable a soul, to handle life". That's how I see myself.

 

[just1morething]

I hope so Albert. My tinnitus has often fluctuated at least in the morning albeit briefly after I wake up although it is not a major change, it's something. Like 8/10 and then eventually going up to 10/10 for the rest of the day. That has been the common experience for a while.

Now, I have 11/10 with multiple tones and left ear fullness.

I have oscillating power line sound in my head right now. When I clench my jaw it makes an additional tone so it must be the brain turning up the gain for inner ear damage. I'm thinking the airplane barotrauma in my left ear caused it in 2008. Hearing aids help sometimes and drugs help sometimes but nothing is consistent.

I drank some diet cola with aspartame in it so that might be causing my current spike. I would try an AD of some kind but I don't like the side effects. I never feel normal on them. The tricyclics like Nortriptyline give me horrible dry mouth so that's not a good option either.

I do have a left TMJ issue but I doubt that's the cause. Some crunchiness and clicking there but no Real pain. No ear fullness or pain just loud noise. About the volume of normal conversation.

 

[TheDanishGirl]

That's really depressing.

I think the saddest thing in the world is that nothing happens with us after death but it's probably true.

People who have a faith and religion are lucky in a way since they have something that drives them but that's a frame of mind I don't see. Anyway, enough of that.

See, for me it's the most comforting thought I could imagine. No pain, no obligations.......nothing.......total freedom.

I would hate for there to be an afterlife.

 

[PeteJ]

I admire your work. Very good on ya.

I don't know about the "nobody want to die" I think it isn't a far fetched thought to assume not everybody is "cut out" for life and all the obligations and pain that come with it. I have talked with a small number of people online, that just didn't seem to like life in any way and not just because of pain and/or illness. They simply find it mundane at best. In a way I'm kind of like that. I would prefer death to living. Death is no obligations and no pain and in my 33 year old life there have been very very little time, where I felt life had enough benefit for me to prefer it over death.........sadly, I don't see this changing for me. As I read a family member say about a semi-famous guy in my country who committed suicide: "he was just too vulnerable a soul, to handle life". That's how I see myself.

People who off themselves who think life is mundane or for a reason that's not from a physical condition, I don't understand but people with severe tinnitus and related conditions, it makes more sense to me and a clear physical disability and physical torture/suffering is happening with certain degrees of tinnitus.

Btw, it was a post of yours in another dentist thread regarding the routine a dentist should take - all I did is search the forum for dentist/dental threads. I found a few posts about the 5 second/10 second drill/break procedure including one instance I mentioned it. I feel so stupid. :-(

I need the spike to subside. It's the 2nd day now. :-(

 

[TheDanishGirl]

People who off themselves who think life is mundane or for a reason that's not from a physical condition, I don't understand but people with severe tinnitus and related conditions, it makes more sense to me and a clear physical disability and physical torture/suffering is happening with certain degrees of tinnitus.

Btw, it was a post of yours in another dentist thread regarding the routine a dentist should take - all I did is search the forum for dentist/dental threads. I found a few posts about the 5 second/10 second drill/break procedure including one instance I mentioned it. I feel so stupid. :-(

I need the spike to subside. It's the 2nd day now. :-(

Trust me, if you had suffered depression and anxiety for years before tinnitus hit, you would think otherwise. Tinnitus is beyond horrible but so is depression and especially anxiety disorders. When they get bad is just as much torture as a physical illness. It actually hurts physically if you suffer bad mental health issues.

 

[PeteJ]

Trust me, if you had suffered depression and anxiety for years before tinnitus hit, you would think otherwise. Tinnitus is beyond horrible but so is depression and especially anxiety disorders. When they get bad is just as much torture as a physical illness. It actually hurts physically if you suffer bad mental health issues.

Why do you think I haven't? People keep assuming things about me. Lots of people experience depression and I did for years too but tinnitus is another animal and when it's severe, psych treatments are much less likely to help compared to depression w/o tinnitus and I think it's safe to say, that's a fact.

 

[ajc]

Why do you think I haven't? People keep assuming things about me. Lots of people experience depression and I did for years too but tinnitus is another animal and when it's severe, psych treatments are much less likely to help compared to depression w/o tinnitus and I think it's safe to say, that's a fact.

Depression and anxiety have tonnes of varieties and levels of distress just like tinnitus has.

 

[Chinmoku]

Depression and anxiety have tonnes of varieties and levels of distress just like tinnitus has.

Indeed, when severe they can give you horrible physical symptoms. Really horrible, enough to lead people to suicide.

 

[TheDanishGirl]

Why do you think I haven't? People keep assuming things about me. Lots of people experience depression and I did for years too but tinnitus is another animal and when it's severe, psych treatments are much less likely to help compared to depression w/o tinnitus and I think it's safe to say, that's a fact.

Come on, you assume stuff about people constantly on here: that they don't suffer as much as you, that their tinnitus/hyperacusis isn't as bad as yours etc.

I really don't think your depression before tinnitus was that bad, if you can't understand how one can be driven to suicide by it....... See what I did there? I hope you're on to my signal.

 

[PeteJ]

Come on, you assume stuff about people constantly on here: that they don't suffer as much as you, that their tinnitus/hyperacusis isn't as bad as yours etc.

Do they think they have 10/10 or 11/10 severity?

I think many have worse hyperacusis although I have severe ear pain and my ears never feel normal - I don't know if that's part of hyperacusis.

 

[TheDanishGirl]

Indeed, when severe they can give you horrible physical symptoms. Really horrible, enough to lead people to suicide.

Very true. I've never gone through a really harsh bout of depression, without it manifesting physical pain: headaches, back pain etc.

 

[PeteJ]

Depression and anxiety have tonnes of varieties and levels of distress just like tinnitus has.

Tinnitus has a physical element of torture. I have had depression before tinnitus and know people who have depression. Tinnitus makes things so much worse. I would take depression without tinnitus.

 

[TheDanishGirl]

Do they think they have 10/10 or 11/10 severity?

I think many have worse hyperacusis although I have severe ear pain and my ears never feel normal - I don't know if that's part of hyperacusis.

Yes, there are many people here that would rank their tinnitus at that level in loudness/severity.

 

[PeteJ]

Very true. I've never gone through a really harsh bout of depression, without it manifesting physical pain: headaches, back pain ect.

At one time, I had chronic headaches every day. I wish I had treated my depression. If I had known I could get so much worse with tinnitus....also, back then my mom and dad was still around. I had things to live for. Suffering with severe tinnitus and defective, damaged ears is worse than any depression. At least, depression can be treated so the health professionals say.

 

[TheDanishGirl]

At one time, I had chronic headaches every day. I wish I had treated my depression. If I had known I could get so much worse with tinnitus....also, back then my mom and dad was still around. I had things to live for. Suffering with severe tinnitus and defective, damaged ears is worse than any depression. At least, depression can be treated so the health professionals say.

Not all depression as well as bipolar illness or the likes can be treated. Some are treatment resistant and chronic. If all could be treated there wouldnt be so many suicides from it.

 

[PeteJ]

Not all depression as well as bipolar illness or the likes can be treated. Some are treatment resistant and chronic. If all could be treated there wouldnt be so many suicides from it.

They can sleep without loud tones in their ears and brain.

 

[TheDanishGirl]

They can sleep without loud tones in their ears and brain.

I don't have energy for this discussion any more. Just a last remark: Insomnia is very common with severe depression. You really should read more up on what it means to have severe depression. Like I said earlier severe tinnitus is beyond HORRIBLE and my heart breaks for you, but make no mistake.......depression is also hell, if it gets real bad and chronic.

You should watch this TED talk about depression:

 

[Greg Sacramento]

Why shouldn't we use curcumin and magnesium at the same time?

https://www.ehealthme.com/drug-interaction/curcumin/magnesium/

Place - curcumin and magnesium - into an internet search.
Both work similar in many ways. Both has benefits.
It's best to have one work alone, then to take the other at least a few hours later.
Overload by use at full dose - both taken at the same time can cause the heart to slow, fibrillation of the muscles of the atria of the heart, eye pain and eye irritation, dizziness, anxiety and insomnia.

 

[PeteJ]

Your heart doesn't break for me or you wouldn't be arguing. Insomnia? I am up until 3 or 4am most nights because my tinnitus is at the worst late at night just when I want to sleep and when I do sleep by some miracle, I am trying to sleep in spite of loud multiple tones.

I don't think people who have severe tinnitus will think straight depression is as bad. They don't have ear pain or fucked up ears either. I know it's serious but relatively speaking, I am comparing to severest case of tinnitus.

 

[PeteJ]

https://www.ehealthme.com/drug-interaction/curcumin/magnesium/

Place - curcumin and magnesium - into an internet search.
Both work similar in many ways. Both has benefits.
It's best to have one work alone, then to take the other at least a few hours later.
Overload by use at full dose - both taken at the same time can cause the heart to slow, fibrillation of the muscles of the atria of the heart, eye pain and eye irritation, dizziness, anxiety and insomnia.

Should magnesium be glycinate? I bought chelated magnesium. It is cheaper but if glycinate is better, I will get that.

 

[Kriszti]

https://www.ehealthme.com/drug-interaction/curcumin/magnesium/

Place - curcumin and magnesium - into an internet search.
Both work similar in many ways. Both has benefits.
It's best to have one work alone, then to take the other at least a few hours later.
Overload by use at full dose - both taken at the same time can cause the heart to slow, fibrillation of the muscles of the atria of the heart, eye pain and eye irritation, dizziness, anxiety and insomnia.

Thank you very much for the info. I guess, I'll switch to taking curcumin in the mornings and Mag at nights. I'm sleeping extremely poorly. I stopped piracetam and betahistine, because they didn't help, and made my brain spinning, but I didn't think about the effects of magnesium and curcumin.

 

[acute]

She never described it.
We must compare side by side.

I have described it several times throughout this forum, but I don't see the point in describing it anymore. Honestly, what's the point in describing it? You will never know how mine sounds, nor will I know how yours sounds. And in fact, it doesn't really matter.

Talk about the tinnitus of others it's just pointless and speculative. This is not a contest to see who has the loudest tinnitus or who describes it in the most terrifying way.

We're all suffering because of it. I suppose all of us have fucking severe tinnitus.

For god shake.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

Should magnesium be glycinate? I bought chelated magnesium.

I take glycinate.

 

[Chinmoku]

Tinnitus has a physical element of torture. I have had depression before tinnitus and know people who have depression. Tinnitus makes things so much worse. I would take depression without tinnitus.

If you have both, sure. But I had a colleague whose anxiety gave him such stomach pain that he would lie on the floor rolling and crying for hours, plus brain zaps, nausea, throwing up, especially in the mornings. No medication helped, and he tried so many. He went through hell. He had this for 7 years, then it just went away, fortunately for him. But while it lasted it was the horror. I remember his face. He is still traumatised to this day.
Then you have conditions like regional pain syndrome, rheumatoid arthritis... there are so many horrors. Whoever says the human body is a perfect machine should be kicked up to the moon

 

[PeteJ]

I take glycinate.

Ok. I will get that. I bought chelated last time. Glycinate is more expensive though.

 

[PeteJ]

If you have both, sure. But I had a colleague whose anxiety gave him such stomach pain that he would lie on the floor rolling and crying for hours, plus brain zaps, nausea, throwing up, especially in the mornings. No medication helped, and he tried so many. He went through hell. He had this for 7 years, then it just went away, fortunately for him. But while it lasted it was the horror. I remember his face. He is still traumatised to this day.
Then you have conditions like regional pain syndrome, rheumatoid arthritis... there are so many horrors. Whoever says the human body is a perfect machine should be kicked up to the moon

Then he had shitty doctors. There are many treatments for depression but the same can't be said about tinnitus.

I am not saying most treatments are effective by any means but they are drastically different and tinnitus can induce depression for a person who might not have had severe depression before but because tinnitus has invisible symptoms, people only want to discuss the depression. It's frustrating.